Thanks for the productive discussion - some of those privacy policies seem to be website specific ( rather than for an organization as a whole ).<br><br>We just are rebooting the webcom so the timing is good for a privacy discussion. It may be easier to start here and then branch out to project / committee email lists and a foundation wide policy. <br><br>We have a different understanding of foss4g Maxi.<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:08 AM Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Gert, deal all,<div>after a few days of discussion I would like to sum up some considerations to re-focus to subject of my first e-mail and that in my opinion should led OSGeo foundation to at least one or two argument for discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>1- Some FOSS4G events made use of "aggressive" marketing strategies using mailing lists where the users didn't explicitly agree in being notified.</div><div><br></div><div>2- There are laws on privacy protection which are different for different countries/region (this is explained for example at this resource, but I'm not a loyer: <a href="http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp" target="_blank">http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp</a> )</div><div><br></div><div>3- OSGeo act globally and should be respectful as much as possible of all the existing rules</div><div><br></div><div>4- FOSS4G is the OSGeo's label of their Free and Open Source Software For Geospatial conferences</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Said that each person or organization is responsible for its acts (and is free to behave as he/she/it prefer), I would like that OSGeo - and FOSS4G that is with no doubt recognized as an OSGeo event - act in respect of a well defined privacy protection policy with is </div><div>as much protective of privacy as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>Example of Privacy Policy can be found for example in:</div><div>- Apache foundation (<a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html" target="_blank">http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html</a>) </div><div>- Eclipse foundation (<a href="https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php" target="_blank">https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php</a>) </div><div>- Debian (<a href="http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/" target="_blank">http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/</a>)<br></div><div>- Software Freedom Conservancy (<a href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/" target="_blank">https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/</a>)</div><div>- OpenStack (<a href="https://www.openstack.org/privacy/" target="_blank">https://www.openstack.org/privacy/</a>)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>From a short reading all of them seems state that they do not pass information to third parties and do not use these information for sending newsletter unless explicitly agreed.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So, if I raised you attention to this hot topic and in the future people will be more sensitive and respectful of privacy when they act in the name of FOSS4G or OSGeo I'm 1000% happy and accept any blame on me.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regard,</div><div>Maxi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-15 23:38 GMT+01:00 Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gert-jan@osgeo.nl" target="_blank">gert-jan@osgeo.nl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">First: I took the opportunity to change the subject of this thread to a less shouting version (CAPS LOCK and spam live side-by-side on my email-irritation-scale)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Second: Funny to see how the use of two different channels (mailing list vs. MailChimp) kind of reflect the different approaches to reach the -more of less- same goal.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Any expanding organisation / movement / community comes to a point where the classical channels (like a mailing list) reach their limits, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">and "new" marketing (yuch! marketing==ugly & bad!) channels & methods may help to stretch beyond borders. Which comes at a cost (as Maxi tries to tell, I guess).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Food for thought for the Board face2face meeting in January (and for the entire community) to determine <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">- what our goals are<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">- what our values are<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">- and how these two compare to each other.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind regards, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Gert-Jan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>Rob Emanuele<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 15 december 2015 21:51<br><b>Aan:</b> David Bianco<br><b>CC:</b> OSGeo Discussions<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU :-o<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hey David,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The emails on the mailing list were cultivated by past FOSS4G NA attendees, people opting in in other ways, and from lists that were given by members of this and last year's committee. If we're spamming people who didn't opt in, it is not intentional and apologies for the spam (the world certainly doesn't need more spam). We'll take a look at the list moving forward to try to prevent from sending emails to anyone who didn't opt in.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Rob<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 2:48 PM, David Bianco <<a href="mailto:me@davidbianco.net" target="_blank">me@davidbianco.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I believe MailChimp has policies against adding emails to your list without a user's authorization.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/" target="_blank">http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015, at 10:16, Rob Emanuele wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't yet posted to OSGeo-Discuss, I just posted it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There's a one-click unsubscribe button from that mailing list, sorry for the spam!<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Just a funny note...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nice to see that LocationTech has a FOSS4G email (!!!! WOW!!!!!) <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">and..... <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">that all the link on the received e-mail are connected with my user_id (I have one????? Yes) <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">and.... <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">that they are tracked (!!! without inform me !!!) <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">and... <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">that I have been added to a list that i'm not subscribed.... (<a href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/" target="_blank">http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/</a>)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">But...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Where did they get my e-mail from?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">why thy didn't simply post the news to the discussion-osgeo list?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">what do they want to track?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>If you want to see the FOSS4G-NA without been traced here is the link <a href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/" target="_blank">https://2016.foss4g-na.org/</a></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">#SPAM #NOT-SO-FAIR #LIKE-MICROSOFT-THAT-SPY-ME #SCARY<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maxi<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Massimiliano Cannata</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Responsabile settore Geomatica</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Istituto scienze della Terra</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray">Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Campus Trevano, CH - 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