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Please take me off this list! I don't know any of you, and have no idea how I was even placed on the list!<br><br><br><a href="https://yho.com/footer0">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br><br><p style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 0; margin-top: 0">On Friday, December 18, 2015, 9:37 AM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1@gmail.com> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div>+1 Steven</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This proposed solution can help keep the LOC going while others work out a proposal. Analysis-paralysis could hamstring our whole organisation for too long.<br><br>Vriendelijke groet,<div>Marc Vloemans</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>Op 18 dec. 2015 om 23:06 heeft Steven Feldman <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> It looks like we are going to need a privacy policy (data protection etc) and possibly a separate policy on email (the two are not the same).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think this something that Conference Committee can or should do. This is definitely one for the Board. I understand that this is an important issue for Maxi and perhaps some other board members so hopefully they can produce draft versions of the policies, publish them on the wiki and then invite comment from the wider community. I doubt this will be simple to resolve given the multiple jurisdictions and cultures that we encompass.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hopefully that can be completed in a couple of months but I recognise that these discussions can take a while. In the meantime perhaps including Ian’s simple draft text <i class="">"by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your details for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events. You can unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the unsubscribe links provided.”</i> in our registration forms would be a good stop gap.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suggest that we continue to use MailChimp (because it has an unsubscribe capability) and we should avoid sharing any further contact details amongst ourselves or with external bodies until the new policies are in place. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class=""><div class="">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px;">______<br class="">Steven<br class=""><br class=""></span>
</div>
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Dec 2015, at 09:40, Massimiliano Cannata <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">All,<div class="">I believe the point is not if it was nice or not to receive a message for being aware of events (that we will be aware in any case thanks to the social media and mailing lists) but rather if it is appropriate (or even legal?) perform these unsolicited mail campaign and the sharing of these data among person on private and non-regulated way.</div><div class="">We all know that having the data, it doesn't mean having the right to distribute it to 3rd party.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@Ian: I also don't think a single line of acknowledgement while registering cover the issue. </div><div class="">For instance your proposal of a "non-active OPT-IN" it seems to me not in line with the EU regulation discussed in these days here (but i'n not a lawyer):</div><div class=""><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20151217IPR08112/New-EU-rules-on-data-protection-put-the-citizen-back-in-the-driving-seat" style="font-size:12.8px;" class="">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20151217IPR08112/New-EU-rules-on-data-protection-put-the-citizen-back-in-the-driving-seat</a><br class=""></div><div class="">(thanks Helli for the link!)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I request, and will add in the next board meeting agenda, to have a deeper discussion and agreement at OSGeo level.</div><div class="">Because I think that the privacy protection is a matter larger then the FOSS4G only and is of concern to the whole OSGeo community as it may apply to several cases.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I feel that OSGeo shall define like for the Code of Conduct a Privacy Policy that applies all over the community and that members shall agree to follow when they participate in the community.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">my 0.1 cent,</div><div class="">Maxi</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-18 10:00 GMT+01:00 Ian Edwards <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:iedwards.pub@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">iedwards.pub@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I support Paul and Steven's approach (and thank them for their actions to help keep the community aware of events) -- but I think it's also certainly the case that there is always a set of people on our mailing lists who have a strong preference that their details are not shared in a way they do not agree to up front - In fact, I'm sure we would all include ourselves in this category as the type of "spam" we may receive becomes less relevant to our interests.<br class=""><br class="">Another way to reach a constructive outcome may be to discuss on the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Conference-Committee-f3721662.html" class="">conference <span class="">dev</span></a> list an update to the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Editing_this_document" class="">FOSS4G Handbook</a>/Cookbook with guidelines on opting out when submitting your details. My preference would be a statement that does not require a lot of effort from our volunteer organisers, something like:<br class=""><br class=""></div>"by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your details for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events. You can unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the unsubscribe links provided."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">===<span class="HOEnZb"><br class=""></span></div><span class="HOEnZb">Ian Edwards</span><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""><span class="">cameron</span>.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="">
Hi Maxi,<br class="">
I love the constructive research that you have started here.<br class="">
<br class="">
Email privacy was not as topical when foss4g email lists started
getting collected, and tracing technologies such as mail chimp were
as assessable as mail chimp is now. So we are right to
retrospectively develop our policy in this area.<br class="">
<br class="">
If you are up for it, I suggest following a similar process to what
we did for getting the OSGeo Code of Conduct in place.<br class="">
1. Research best practice policies. Find one that meets OSGeo
community requirements (ideally addressing the majority of the ideas
on this email thread)<br class="">
2. Ideally find something that has been adopted and maintained as
best practice among many organisations. (This is the Open Source
Way).<br class="">
3. Reference it, copy it verbatim, tweak it, or collate with other
sources, (possibly into a wiki page)<br class="">
4. Propose to OSGeo community for adoption. Collate feedback, tweak.<br class="">
5. Have OSGeo adopt the policy.<br class="">
<br class="">
Warm regards Cameron<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="">On 18/12/2015 4:26 am, Daniel Kastl
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
Hi,<br class="">
<br class="">
I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's
concerns are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our
best for a successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a
bit strong and contained the "LocationTech" keyword ;-)<br class="">
I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo
not to be successful, and nobody is against marketing. <br class="">
<br class="">
However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's
right, right?<br class="">
If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle
personal data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no
privacy policy, we probably should have one, because there are at
least a few countries I know, where not being able to opt-out or
receiving unwanted emails can become a legal issue quickly (and
cost money).<br class="">
<br class="">
I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct,
where some people thought, we don't need that, because we're
well-educated and friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A
code of conduct wasn't something I cared about that time, because
maybe it's not common in countries where I live. But I learned,
that it's an important document for North American countries. And
I think the privacy topic is a widely discussed issue in European
countries, and we have some lessons learned about
services/organizations trying to track us. <br class="">
So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an
encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think
you already get tracked, when you open the email and the
transparent image gets loaded.<br class="">
Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice
here to sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text
only with beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.<br class="">
<br class="">
While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:<br class="">
- Is the collected database of email addresses available on
request for every local chapter?<br class="">
- If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization
(in this case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name),
what happens with these addresses later? Are they now merged with
the "LocationTech Tour" database or the whole Eclipse address
pool, etc.?<br class="">
- If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America,
will I be removed from the database and future announcements?<br class="">
<br class="">
I think most email addresses collected from further events were
for registration purpose. There is no way to register without
giving OSGeo an email address.<br class="">
And even if we won't harm anyone, we didn't ask those people, if
they would like to opt-in for a newsletter-like service. <br class="">
So I find it somehow OK (gray-zone) to use the existing address
collection for marketing future global FOSS4G events (it's only
once a year), but you need to understand that FOSS4G NA is a
regional event, and that the emails probably haven't been filtered
by region. If we continue this practice, will then every local
FOSS4G be able to spread the word in the name of OSGeo using a
collected address list of the past 10 years?<br class="">
<br class="">
Personally I think, that as a community we can do much better
marketing than using MailChimp.<br class="">
Maybe it's a good idea to add an opt-in form to FOSS4G
registrations, where people can sign up for event announcements,
even with regional preferences eventually?<br class="">
<br class="">
Best regards,<br class="">
Daniel<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="">On 18/12/15 01:09, Steven Feldman
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class=""> +1,000,000 to what Paul has said
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included
names for 2011 and previous FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the
spirit of fraternal support to future FOSS4Gs, I believe that
was the right thing to do even though we neglected to have
specific opt in/out option. No doubt they passed the extended
list to 2015 and they have in turn shared with 2016. This is
good not bad.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">We need to separate the animus towards LT from the
apparent horror at the use of a ‘commercial’ service like
MailChimp. Those of us who earn our living from Open Source
Geo need to promote Open Source Geo and that means outreach to
people who may not be followers of our mailing lists, so we
need other channels. e-mail marketing is an established way of
reaching potential FOSS4G participants, it is not evil, it
probably isn’t spam (even if you haven’t opted in) as long as
you provide an immediate opt out from further mail (which
MailChimp does really well).</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If LT are willing to allow us access to their
large contact list, surely that is something we should say
thank you for not complain about? We might want to ask
ourselves why their list is so much larger than ours? We have
a list of several thousand accumulated from previous FOSS4Gs,
using MailChimp enables us to clean that list down to
interested participants very efficiently by providing a simple
opt out.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">There is no reason why we should not continue to
maintain a growing list of people who have attended, sponsored
or expressed interest in OSGeo/FOSS4G. The norm should be that
you are opted in by default as a result of past interest but
every mail provides the option to opt out.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Evangelising Open Source Geo is IMHO immensely
worthwhile. To do that you need to be a bit pushy while
finding the right balance. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Let’s applaud our advocates, conference organisers
and marketeers, not moan at them</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Apologies if this is a bit ranty (the first draft
was way more ranty)</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Peace and goodwill to everyone for the holiday
season whatever your faith</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""> <span style="border-collapse:separate;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px;" class="">______<br class="">
Steven</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote><div class=""><div class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="">On 18/12/2015 6:28 am, Jody Garnett
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for the productive discussion - some of those
privacy policies seem to be website specific ( rather than for an
organization as a whole ).<br class="">
<br class="">
We just are rebooting the webcom so the timing is good for a
privacy discussion. It may be easier to start here and then branch
out to project / committee email lists and a foundation wide
policy. <br class="">
<br class="">
We have a different understanding of foss4g Maxi.<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:08 AM Massimiliano
Cannata <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Gert, deal all,
<div class="">after a few days of discussion I would like to sum up
some considerations to re-focus to subject of my first
e-mail and that in my opinion should led OSGeo foundation
to at least one or two argument for discussion.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">1- Some FOSS4G events made use of "aggressive"
marketing strategies using mailing lists where the users
didn't explicitly agree in being notified.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">2- There are laws on privacy protection which are
different for different countries/region (this is
explained for example at this resource, but I'm not a
loyer: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp" class="">http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp</a> )</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">3- OSGeo act globally and should be respectful as much
as possible of all the existing rules</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">4- FOSS4G is the OSGeo's label of their Free and Open
Source Software For Geospatial conferences</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Said that each person or organization is responsible
for its acts (and is free to behave as he/she/it prefer),
I would like that OSGeo - and FOSS4G that is with no doubt
recognized as an OSGeo event - act in respect of a well
defined privacy protection policy with is </div>
<div class="">as much protective of privacy as possible.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Example of Privacy Policy can be found for example in:</div>
<div class="">- Apache foundation (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html" class="">http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html</a>) </div>
<div class="">- Eclipse foundation (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php" class="">https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php</a>) </div>
<div class="">- Debian (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/" class="">http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/</a>)<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">- Software Freedom Conservancy (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/" class="">https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/</a>)</div>
<div class="">- OpenStack (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstack.org/privacy/" class="">https://www.openstack.org/privacy/</a>)</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">From a short reading all of them seems state that they
do not pass information to third parties and do not use
these information for sending newsletter unless explicitly
agreed.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">So, if I raised you attention to this hot topic and in
the future people will be more sensitive and respectful of
privacy when they act in the name of FOSS4G or OSGeo I'm
1000% happy and accept any blame on me.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Best regard,</div>
<div class="">Maxi</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-15 23:38 GMT+01:00
Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://osgeo.nl" class="">OSGeo.nl</a> <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gert-jan@osgeo.nl" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">gert-jan@osgeo.nl</a>></span>:<br class="">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang="NL" class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">First: I took the opportunity to
change the subject of this thread to a less
shouting version (CAPS LOCK and spam live
side-by-side on my email-irritation-scale)</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Second: Funny to see how the use
of two different channels (mailing list vs.
MailChimp) kind of reflect the different
approaches to reach the -more of less- same
goal.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Any expanding organisation /
movement / community comes to a point where
the classical channels (like a mailing list)
reach their limits, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">and "new" marketing (yuch!
marketing==ugly & bad!) channels &
methods may help to stretch beyond borders.
Which comes at a cost (as Maxi tries to tell,
I guess).</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Food for thought for the Board
face2face meeting in January (and for the
entire community) to determine </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">- what our goals are</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">- what our values are</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">- and how these two compare to
each other.</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Kind regards, </span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Gert-Jan</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> Discuss [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b class="">Namens </b>Rob Emanuele<br class="">
<b class="">Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 15 december 2015
21:51<br class="">
<b class="">Aan:</b> David Bianco<br class="">
<b class="">CC:</b> OSGeo Discussions<br class="">
<b class="">Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss]
FOSS4GNA - SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU :-o</span></p>
</div><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Hey David,</p>
<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">The emails on the mailing
list were cultivated by past FOSS4G NA
attendees, people opting in in other ways,
and from lists that were given by members of
this and last year's committee. If we're
spamming people who didn't opt in, it is not
intentional and apologies for the spam (the
world certainly doesn't need more spam).
We'll take a look at the list moving forward
to try to prevent from sending emails to
anyone who didn't opt in.</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Rob</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at
2:48 PM, David Bianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:me@davidbianco.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:me@davidbianco.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">me@davidbianco.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I believe MailChimp
has policies against adding emails to
your list without a user's
authorization.</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/" class="">http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/</a></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15,
2015, at 10:16, Rob Emanuele wrote:</p>
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<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for
pointing out that it wasn't yet
posted to OSGeo-Discuss, I just
posted it.</p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">There's a
one-click unsubscribe button
from that mailing list, sorry
for the spam!</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec
15, 2015 at 12:31 PM,
Massimiliano Cannata <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Just a
funny note...</p>
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</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Nice to
see that LocationTech has
a FOSS4G email (!!!!
WOW!!!!!) </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">and..... </p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">that
all the link on the
received e-mail are
connected with my
user_id (I have one?????
Yes) </p>
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<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">and.... </p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">that
they are tracked (!!!
without inform me !!!) </p>
</div>
<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">and... </p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">that
I have been added to a
list that i'm not
subscribed.... (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/" class="">http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/</a>)</p>
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</div>
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</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">But...</p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Where
did they get my e-mail
from?</p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">why
thy didn't simply post
the news to the
discussion-osgeo list?</p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">what
do they want to track?</p>
</div>
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</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">If
you want to see the
FOSS4G-NA without been
traced here is the
link <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/" class="">https://2016.foss4g-na.org/</a></b></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">#SPAM
#NOT-SO-FAIR
#LIKE-MICROSOFT-THAT-SPY-ME
#SCARY</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Maxi</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class="">Massimiliano
Cannata</span></b></p>
</div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:none;background-attachment:scroll;background-color:white;background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat repeat;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Professore
SUPSI in
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Geomatica</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:none;background-attachment:scroll;background-color:white;background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat repeat;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Responsabile
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design</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Scuola
universitaria
professionale
della Svizzera
italiana</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;" class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Campus
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<div dir="ltr" class=""><b style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;" class="">Massimiliano
Cannata</b><br class=""><div style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;" class="">Professore SUPSI
in ingegneria Geomatica</span></div><div style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;" class="">Responsabile
settore Geomatica</span></div><div style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;" class=""><br class="">
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della Terra</span></div><div style="margin:0px;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray;" lang="IT" class="">Dipartimento
ambiente costruzione e design</span></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;margin:0px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12px;" lang="IT" class="">Scuola
universitaria professionale della Svizzera
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Trevano, </span><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;" class="">CH
- 6952 Canobbio</span></div><div style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray;" lang="IT" class="">Tel.
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