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Hi Maxi,<br>
I love the constructive research that you have started here.<br>
<br>
Email privacy was not as topical when foss4g email lists started
getting collected, and tracing technologies such as mail chimp were
as assessable as mail chimp is now. So we are right to
retrospectively develop our policy in this area.<br>
<br>
If you are up for it, I suggest following a similar process to what
we did for getting the OSGeo Code of Conduct in place.<br>
1. Research best practice policies. Find one that meets OSGeo
community requirements (ideally addressing the majority of the ideas
on this email thread)<br>
2. Ideally find something that has been adopted and maintained as
best practice among many organisations. (This is the Open Source
Way).<br>
3. Reference it, copy it verbatim, tweak it, or collate with other
sources, (possibly into a wiki page)<br>
4. Propose to OSGeo community for adoption. Collate feedback, tweak.<br>
5. Have OSGeo adopt the policy.<br>
<br>
Warm regards Cameron<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/12/2015 4:26 am, Daniel Kastl
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:5672F04C.2020205@georepublic.de" type="cite">
Hi,<br>
<br>
I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's
concerns are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our
best for a successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a
bit strong and contained the "LocationTech" keyword ;-)<br>
I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo
not to be successful, and nobody is against marketing. <br>
<br>
However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's
right, right?<br>
If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle
personal data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no
privacy policy, we probably should have one, because there are at
least a few countries I know, where not being able to opt-out or
receiving unwanted emails can become a legal issue quickly (and
cost money).<br>
<br>
I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct,
where some people thought, we don't need that, because we're
well-educated and friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A
code of conduct wasn't something I cared about that time, because
maybe it's not common in countries where I live. But I learned,
that it's an important document for North American countries. And
I think the privacy topic is a widely discussed issue in European
countries, and we have some lessons learned about
services/organizations trying to track us. <br>
So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an
encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think
you already get tracked, when you open the email and the
transparent image gets loaded.<br>
Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice
here to sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text
only with beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.<br>
<br>
While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:<br>
- Is the collected database of email addresses available on
request for every local chapter?<br>
- If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization
(in this case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name),
what happens with these addresses later? Are they now merged with
the "LocationTech Tour" database or the whole Eclipse address
pool, etc.?<br>
- If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America,
will I be removed from the database and future announcements?<br>
<br>
I think most email addresses collected from further events were
for registration purpose. There is no way to register without
giving OSGeo an email address.<br>
And even if we won't harm anyone, we didn't ask those people, if
they would like to opt-in for a newsletter-like service. <br>
So I find it somehow OK (gray-zone) to use the existing address
collection for marketing future global FOSS4G events (it's only
once a year), but you need to understand that FOSS4G NA is a
regional event, and that the emails probably haven't been filtered
by region. If we continue this practice, will then every local
FOSS4G be able to spread the word in the name of OSGeo using a
collected address list of the past 10 years?<br>
<br>
Personally I think, that as a community we can do much better
marketing than using MailChimp.<br>
Maybe it's a good idea to add an opt-in form to FOSS4G
registrations, where people can sign up for event announcements,
even with regional preferences eventually?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/12/15 01:09, Steven Feldman
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:1146846F-204B-494C-A369-4608C798FEC8@gmail.com"
type="cite"> +1,000,000 to what Paul has said
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included
names for 2011 and previous FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the
spirit of fraternal support to future FOSS4Gs, I believe that
was the right thing to do even though we neglected to have
specific opt in/out option. No doubt they passed the extended
list to 2015 and they have in turn shared with 2016. This is
good not bad.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">We need to separate the animus towards LT from the
apparent horror at the use of a ‘commercial’ service like
MailChimp. Those of us who earn our living from Open Source
Geo need to promote Open Source Geo and that means outreach to
people who may not be followers of our mailing lists, so we
need other channels. e-mail marketing is an established way of
reaching potential FOSS4G participants, it is not evil, it
probably isn’t spam (even if you haven’t opted in) as long as
you provide an immediate opt out from further mail (which
MailChimp does really well).</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If LT are willing to allow us access to their
large contact list, surely that is something we should say
thank you for not complain about? We might want to ask
ourselves why their list is so much larger than ours? We have
a list of several thousand accumulated from previous FOSS4Gs,
using MailChimp enables us to clean that list down to
interested participants very efficiently by providing a simple
opt out.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">There is no reason why we should not continue to
maintain a growing list of people who have attended, sponsored
or expressed interest in OSGeo/FOSS4G. The norm should be that
you are opted in by default as a result of past interest but
every mail provides the option to opt out.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Evangelising Open Source Geo is IMHO immensely
worthwhile. To do that you need to be a bit pushy while
finding the right balance. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Let’s applaud our advocates, conference organisers
and marketeers, not moan at them</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Apologies if this is a bit ranty (the first draft
was way more ranty)</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Peace and goodwill to everyone for the holiday
season whatever your faith</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""> <span class="Apple-style-span"
style="border-collapse: separate; line-height: normal;
border-spacing: 0px;">______<br class="">
Steven</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/12/2015 6:28 am, Jody Garnett
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAOhbgAmPdopfrZN9D2NZvfAJ3pDKCWejVT_0yOaO45dzeX12xQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Thanks for the productive discussion - some of those
privacy policies seem to be website specific ( rather than for an
organization as a whole ).<br>
<br>
We just are rebooting the webcom so the timing is good for a
privacy discussion. It may be easier to start here and then branch
out to project / committee email lists and a foundation wide
policy. <br>
<br>
We have a different understanding of foss4g Maxi.<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:08 AM Massimiliano
Cannata <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Gert, deal all,
<div>after a few days of discussion I would like to sum up
some considerations to re-focus to subject of my first
e-mail and that in my opinion should led OSGeo foundation
to at least one or two argument for discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1- Some FOSS4G events made use of "aggressive"
marketing strategies using mailing lists where the users
didn't explicitly agree in being notified.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2- There are laws on privacy protection which are
different for different countries/region (this is
explained for example at this resource, but I'm not a
loyer: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp"
target="_blank">http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp</a> )</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3- OSGeo act globally and should be respectful as much
as possible of all the existing rules</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>4- FOSS4G is the OSGeo's label of their Free and Open
Source Software For Geospatial conferences</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Said that each person or organization is responsible
for its acts (and is free to behave as he/she/it prefer),
I would like that OSGeo - and FOSS4G that is with no doubt
recognized as an OSGeo event - act in respect of a well
defined privacy protection policy with is </div>
<div>as much protective of privacy as possible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Example of Privacy Policy can be found for example in:</div>
<div>- Apache foundation (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html"
target="_blank">http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html</a>) </div>
<div>- Eclipse foundation (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php"
target="_blank">https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php</a>) </div>
<div>- Debian (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/"
target="_blank">http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/</a>)<br>
</div>
<div>- Software Freedom Conservancy (<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/">https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/</a></a>)</div>
<div>- OpenStack (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstack.org/privacy/"
target="_blank">https://www.openstack.org/privacy/</a>)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From a short reading all of them seems state that they
do not pass information to third parties and do not use
these information for sending newsletter unless explicitly
agreed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, if I raised you attention to this hot topic and in
the future people will be more sensitive and respectful of
privacy when they act in the name of FOSS4G or OSGeo I'm
1000% happy and accept any blame on me.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regard,</div>
<div>Maxi</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-15 23:38 GMT+01:00
Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gert-jan@osgeo.nl" target="_blank">gert-jan@osgeo.nl</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">First: I took the opportunity to
change the subject of this thread to a less
shouting version (CAPS LOCK and spam live
side-by-side on my email-irritation-scale)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">Second: Funny to see how the use
of two different channels (mailing list vs.
MailChimp) kind of reflect the different
approaches to reach the -more of less- same
goal.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">Any expanding organisation /
movement / community comes to a point where
the classical channels (like a mailing list)
reach their limits, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">and "new" marketing (yuch!
marketing==ugly & bad!) channels &
methods may help to stretch beyond borders.
Which comes at a cost (as Maxi tries to tell,
I guess).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">Food for thought for the Board
face2face meeting in January (and for the
entire community) to determine </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">- what our goals are</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">- what our values are</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">- and how these two compare to
each other.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">Kind regards, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB">Gert-Jan</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div style="border-style:solid none
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0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Discuss [mailto:<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></a>]
<b>Namens </b>Rob Emanuele<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 15 december 2015
21:51<br>
<b>Aan:</b> David Bianco<br>
<b>CC:</b> OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss]
FOSS4GNA - SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU :-o</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hey David,</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The emails on the mailing
list were cultivated by past FOSS4G NA
attendees, people opting in in other ways,
and from lists that were given by members of
this and last year's committee. If we're
spamming people who didn't opt in, it is not
intentional and apologies for the spam (the
world certainly doesn't need more spam).
We'll take a look at the list moving forward
to try to prevent from sending emails to
anyone who didn't opt in.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rob</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at
2:48 PM, David Bianco <<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:me@davidbianco.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:me@davidbianco.net">me@davidbianco.net</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I believe MailChimp
has policies against adding emails to
your list without a user's
authorization.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/">http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/</a></a></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15,
2015, at 10:16, Rob Emanuele wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for
pointing out that it wasn't yet
posted to OSGeo-Discuss, I just
posted it.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There's a
one-click unsubscribe button
from that mailing list, sorry
for the spam!</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec
15, 2015 at 12:31 PM,
Massimiliano Cannata <<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border-style:none none
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just a
funny note...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nice to
see that LocationTech has
a FOSS4G email (!!!!
WOW!!!!!) </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">and..... </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">that
all the link on the
received e-mail are
connected with my
user_id (I have one?????
Yes) </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">and.... </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">that
they are tracked (!!!
without inform me !!!) </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">and... </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">that
I have been added to a
list that i'm not
subscribed.... (<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/">http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/</a></a>)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">But...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Where
did they get my e-mail
from?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">why
thy didn't simply post
the news to the
discussion-osgeo list?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">what
do they want to track?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>If
you want to see the
FOSS4G-NA without been
traced here is the
link <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/">https://2016.foss4g-na.org/</a></a></b></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">#SPAM
#NOT-SO-FAIR
#LIKE-MICROSOFT-THAT-SPY-ME
#SCARY</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Maxi</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">--
</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Massimiliano
Cannata</span></b></p>
</div>
<p style="margin:0cm
0cm
0.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Professore
SUPSI in
ingegneria
Geomatica</span><span
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settore Geomatica</span><span
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<p style="margin:0cm
0cm
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style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Istituto
scienze della
Terra</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm
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style="font-size:9pt;color:gray">Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e
design</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm
0cm 0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Scuola
universitaria
professionale
della Svizzera
italiana</span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm
0cm 0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Campus
Trevano, CH - 6952
Canobbio</span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Tel. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014" target="_blank">+41 (0)58
666 62 14</a></span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></p>
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style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:gray">Fax <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009" target="_blank">+41 (0)58
666 62 09</a></span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></p>
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style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a></a></span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></p>
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style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist">www.supsi.ch/ist</a></a></span></u><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></p>
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<div dir="ltr"><b
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px">Massimiliano
Cannata</b><br>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="color:gray;font-size:9pt">Professore SUPSI
in ingegneria Geomatica</span></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="color:gray;font-size:9pt">Responsabile
settore Geomatica</span></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="color:gray;font-size:9pt"><br>
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<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="color:gray;font-size:9pt">Istituto scienze
della Terra</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-size:9pt;color:gray" lang="IT">Dipartimento
ambiente costruzione e design</span></p>
<p
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:small;margin:0px"><span
style="font-size:12px" lang="IT"><font
color="#808080" face="arial, sans-serif">Scuola
universitaria professionale della Svizzera
italiana</font></span></p>
<p
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:small;margin:0px"><span
style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Campus
Trevano, </span><span
style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif">CH
- 6952 Canobbio</span></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="font-size:9pt;color:gray" lang="IT">Tel.
+41 (0)58 666 62 14</span></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="font-size:9pt;color:gray" lang="EN-US">Fax
+41 (0)58 666 62 09</span></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a></a></span></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><u><span
style="font-size:9pt;color:blue" lang="EN-US"><span
style="color:blue"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist"
target="_blank">www.supsi.ch/ist</a></span></span></u></p>
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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