<div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">Cameron and all,<br>
Personally (and not speaking in the name of he board) i will be super happy and in super favor of having a marketing plan to be probably one part of theOSGeo strategy.</p><p>I just don't see that we should restart from scratch what has been done so far for this year. </p><p>in my opinion, we should go on and make treasure of results (positive or negative) and improve the process for the future.</p><p>Maxi</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Il 28/Apr/2016 14:31, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Maxi, board,<br>
<br>
It has been good of you to take the lead in putting together an
OSGeo Priorities survey.<br>
Pushing an idea forward such as has been done has created a talking
point, leading to marketing conversations, although possibly not in
the direction originally planned, but constructive non-the-less.<br>
<br>
The positives I see from the board identification of a need (for
marketing), is that some really great marketing ideas are starting
to flow onto our email lists, from the likes of Marc and others. We
have some really experienced business development, marketing, and
strategy people within the OSGeo community. You might want to check
out some of the OSGeo Advocate profiles at
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate</a><br>
<br>
The conversations are hopefully leading to a revitalization of the
OSGeo Marketing committee, which should in turn help free up the
board to tackle other initiatives. I suspect that you'd agree that
to be able to tap into this marketing expertise will be of value to
the board?<br>
<br>
With regards to the specific conversation about delineating between
marketing and strategy, I've regularly seen marketing consultants
being included in company strategy planning sessions, and I see
there being many synergies between the two.<br>
<br>
A few encouraging words from the board, offering to support personal
initiatives to drive OSGeo marketing forward would likely be
valuable at this point. (I've had a couple of private emails
questioning whether marketing initiatives would be welcomed by the
board.)<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
<div>On 28/04/2016 9:23 pm, Marc Vloemans
wrote:<br>
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<div>Ouch...once more picking up the towel from the ring....I have
to disagree with the spin/suggestiveness/angle as below.....it
throws the whole discussion back to its early beginnings
......it disregards what individuals have contributed until now
from their experience and insights ......</div>
<div> I realise that anything I
write/offer further can be construed as too critical, too
negative, too this, that and other. However, we are IMHO
assembled at a too critical junction for OSGeo.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I flatly refuse to go down a wrong
path, only execute isolated subjective tasks on behalf of
whoever tells me to do so, while seeing the proverbial ice-berg
(irrelevance) on the radar (and the band keeps playing). That is
not in the spirit of OS communities. I am quite willing to work
(and starting to do so) on pressing present issues like: can we
salvage our presence at FOSS4GNA next week (no banners, CD's etc
to be found), what about actual funding requests.... But it
would be nice if offers of help, actual advice, contributions
etc are not so easily dismissed, disregarded or kept for later
usage.</div>
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<div>Actual terminology as "strategy is
not a matter of marketing", "I suggest you to work..." ,
comparing us to governments and reminding me that 'the board
has been elected', make me wonder if our community strategy is
still to be a bottom-up process and what type of signal this
gives to the members/volunteers. And if 'Father knows best
what's good for me' .... Well, that only works if one holds
power over me or if there is a successful track record to show
for. Right now it feels plain wrong to me.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>My contribution (and that of other
commentators for who I have professional respect for their
particular expertise) should be seen as a compliment and
addition to what the Board has started.</div>
<div>If the questionnaire, Boards'
strategic objectives and member' participation/response all
leave something to be desired....then that is totally OK with
me....as long as all involved learn from it, take additional
expertise on board, adapt, redesign and - anew - go for it.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>By the way;</div>
<div>If the Board requires more mandate
than they feel they have right now, in order to strategise
properly (and not wait till 2017, while already our
Foss4gNA-presentation is in jeopardy and the all-important
Bonn-OSGeo strategy-presentation coming up), then they have my
backing!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
Vriendelijke groet,
<div>Marc Vloemans</div>
<div><br>
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Op 28 apr. 2016 om 08:09 heeft Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
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> Dears<br>
> I personally don't believe that strategy is a matter of
marketing.<br>
><br>
> It is a matter of governance: identify what is useful
and think of how implement it. All over the word governments
do this.<br>
><br>
> Marketing is about how sell / market your product to
clients which is only one part of the strategy.<br>
><br>
> That's why this elected board decided to take action.
The process is certainly far from being optimal and the
contribution of all the members of this community is
desired. But i want to underline that this is at least a
great starting point you should credit this board.<br>
><br>
> The call for ideas of action is beacause the board
would like the understand what the community think is the
more important and appropriate way of operate and spend
money towards the selected objectives.<br>
><br>
> Good or not, one page or five, perfectible or trashable
this is a starting point.<br>
><br>
> Questions could have been easier and we could have been
more answers but we wanted well tought and feasible and
verifiable actions, not just "Let's go to the moon" ideas.<br>
><br>
> The next step of the board is the evaluate and
prioritize answers and try to make them happen in 2016.<br>
><br>
> I suggest you to work for the 2017 strategy supporting
the board with market analysis and ideas so that wiser
decision can be taken.<br>
><br>
> Ant the end GIS is all about information to support
decision making :-)<br>
><br>
> Maxi<br>
><br>
> Il 27/Apr/2016 16:20, "Marc Vloemans" <<a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:<br>
>><br>
>> Steven, Gert Jan et al<br>
>><br>
>> Please feel free to add, comment, fill in blanks
and disagree with my discussion piece in wiki Marketing
Committee Discussion tab!<br>
>><br>
>> My intention was to gather insights etc from
others, while still framing the discussions on our strategy,
stakeholders, questionnaire etc.<br>
>> As well as finding common semantics (eg Eco-system
vs community, marketing vs promotion).<br>
>><br>
>> This way we can provide those less familiar with
strategy-making processes and marketing decisions/activities
with some blue print and back ground. (Like more tech-savvy
colleagues explained software architecture to me in the past
;-)<br>
>><br>
>> Vriendelijke groet,<br>
>> Marc Vloemans<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Op 27 apr. 2016 om 13:20 heeft Gert-Jan van
der Weijden - Stichting <a href="http://osgeo.nl" target="_blank">OSGeo.nl</a> <<a href="mailto:gert-jan@osgeo.nl" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gert-jan@osgeo.nl" target="_blank">gert-jan@osgeo.nl</a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Steven, Maxi<br>
>> ><br>
>> > @Steven: Thanks for writing down for what is
also my personal experience.<br>
>> > Even though I followed the process of setting
up these strategic outcomes from a rather nearby position,<br>
>> > it's hard to feel engaged with the
questionnaire.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let's try to analyse:<br>
>> > The Board has as first steps (re-)written down
a Vision, a Mission and Core Values.<br>
>> > The next two steps ("identification of
ecosystems" and "identification of 4 strategic objectives"
have also been done by the Board solely).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > So now, in the 4th step, the Charter Members
are asked for the first time for their input.<br>
>> > But in fact you have already lost me in
defining the ecosystem: what's the role of the 8 identified
parties in this ecosystem? And how come <a href="http://osgeo.org" target="_blank">OSGeo.org</a>
itself not part of the ecosystem?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > And a few suggestions:<br>
>> > 1. I think the Google Form would be easier to
understand if it contained one page for every of the 4
Strategic Objectives (so 5 pages in total).<br>
>> > 2. The last question ("ecosystems involved")
has two components: the "who is the main beneficiary", but
also "who is the main actor".<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Gert-Jan<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>
>> > Van: Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
Namens Steven Feldman<br>
>> > Verzonden: dinsdag 26 april 2016 21:35<br>
>> > Aan: Marc Vloemans<br>
>> > CC: <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>> > Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for ideas
on osgeo activities<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I just tried to complete the questionnaire. I
found it very difficult to understand. It seemed to be
pushing me down a line of commenting on a web site redesign<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It didn't give me enough context of why the
strategic outcomes were strategic and it didn't allow me to
suggest any alternatives. The mandatory questions force a
choice from a predetermined list with no option to suggest
'other' or 'none of the above'<br>
>> ><br>
>> > If we want to poll the Charter members, I
think we need to provide more explanation and perhaps
consider a two stage process where the first stage is more
open ended and then at a late stage we ask for responses to
specific questions arising from the first stage<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Steven<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On 26 Apr 2016, at 17:00, Marc Vloemans
<<a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Alternatively....<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What is going to happen to the outcome?<br>
>> >> Some extra communication on that may
enlist more entries.....<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Vriendelijke groet,<br>
>> >> Marc Vloemans<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Op 26 apr. 2016 om 00:41 heeft Dirk
Frigne <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> We can try to discuss the first
results on BOF on FOSS4G-NA, GWF and<br>
>> >>> other activities going on...
Discussing Face2f can help in getting feedback.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I will put this on the agenda during
the workshop about OSGeo Europe<br>
>> >>> on the GWF OSGeo day on May 24, 2016
in Rotterdam.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> just my 2c<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Dirk<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>>> On 26-04-16 00:07, Massimiliano
Cannata wrote:<br>
>> >>>> we didn't set any end-date for the
survey.<br>
>> >>>> Nevertheless few answers have
today been received, any action to<br>
>> >>>> better involve members is more
then welcome.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Maxi<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> 2016-04-25 23:33 GMT+02:00 Jody
Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a><br>
>> >>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> What is the timeframe here Maxi?
You may also consider writing an<br>
>> >>>> news post, or as project leads to
pass this opportunity on to the<br>
>> >>>> developer lists.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> --<br>
>> >>>> Jody Garnett<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On 24 April 2016 at 03:12,
Massimiliano Cannata<br>
>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>> >>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Dear members<br>
>> >>>> The survey to collect your
actions proposal is still open<br>
>> >>>> waiting for your
contribution.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Maxi<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> ---------- Messaggio
inoltrato ----------<br>
>> >>>> Da: "Massimiliano Cannata"
<<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>> >>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>><br>
>> >>>> Data: 12/Apr/2016 18:41<br>
>> >>>> Oggetto: 2016 OSGeo's actions
- Survey<br>
>> >>>> A: "OSGeo Discussions" <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>> >>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>>><br>
>> >>>> Cc:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Dear OSGeo Community member,<br>
>> >>>> during the Face to Face board
meeting held in February in Eide<br>
>> >>>> (Holland) a new 2026 OSGeo
strategy has been formulated. We are<br>
>> >>>> now in a phase of community
engagement to define the tactics to<br>
>> >>>> be implemented in the 2016 so
that we can advance toward our goals.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> For this reason, the board
kindly ask you to participate in the<br>
>> >>>> survey by filling (as many
time as your ideas are) the form at<br>
>> >>>> this url: <a href="http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB</a>
[1]<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Details on the process and on
the strategy are available<br>
>> >>>> at <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy</a>
[2] and<br>
>> >>>> are described in the preamble
of the survey.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> In the name of the Board of
Directors,<br>
>> >>>> Thanks and Best regards,<br>
>> >>>> Maxi<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> [1] <a href="http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> [2] <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> --<br>
>> >>>> *Massimiliano Cannata*<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Professore SUPSI in
ingegneria Geomatica<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Responsabile settore
Geomatica<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Istituto scienze della Terra<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Dipartimento ambiente
costruzione e design<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Scuola universitaria
professionale della Svizzera italiana<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952
Canobbio<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14<br>
>> >>>> <<a href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014" target="_blank">tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014</a>>____<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09<br>
>> >>>> <<a href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009" target="_blank">tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009</a>>____<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> <a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>> >>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> _<a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank">www.supsi.ch/ist</a> <<a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank">http://www.supsi.ch/ist</a>>_<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>> >>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
>> >>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> --<br>
>> >>>> *Massimiliano Cannata*<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria
Geomatica<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Istituto scienze della Terra<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione
e design<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Scuola universitaria professionale
della Svizzera italiana<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> <a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> _<a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank">www.supsi.ch/ist</a> <<a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank">http://www.supsi.ch/ist</a>>_<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>> >>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
>> >>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> --<br>
>> >>> Yours sincerely,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
>> >>> CEO @geosparc<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Geosparc n.v.<br>
>> >>> Brugsesteenweg 587<br>
>> >>> B-9030 Ghent<br>
>> >>> Tel: +32 9 236 60 18<br>
>> >>> GSM: +32 495 508 799<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://www.geomajas.org" target="_blank">http://www.geomajas.org</a><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://www.geosparc.com" target="_blank">http://www.geosparc.com</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> @DFrigne<br>
>> >>> <a href="http://be.linkedin.com/in/frigne" target="_blank">be.linkedin.com/in/frigne</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>>
_______________________________________________<br>
>> >>> Discuss mailing list<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>> >
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>> > Discuss mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> >
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>> > Discuss mailing list<br>
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>> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
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