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Hi Sanghee,<br>
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according to WIkipedia [1], <i><b>Science</b></i><i><sup
id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#cite_note-2">[nb
1]</a></sup></i><i> is a systematic enterprise that builds and
organizes </i><i><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge" title="Knowledge">knowledge</a></i><i>
in the form of testable </i><i><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation"
title="Explanation">explanations</a></i><i> and </i><i><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions"
title="Predictions" class="mw-redirect">predictions</a></i><i>
about the </i><i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe"
title="Universe">universe</a></i><i>.</i><i><sup id="cite_ref-3"
class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#cite_note-3">[nb
2]</a></sup></i><i><sup id="cite_ref-EOWilson_4-0"
class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#cite_note-EOWilson-4">[2]</a></sup></i><br>
<br>
These testable explanations/predictions are tested against the part
of the universe under exploration. Among the many competing
explanations found the one is chosen which (i) best explains facts
and (ii) is the simplest, in that order. Everybody is free to
verify/falsify an explanation at any time.<br>
<br>
As a painful history has shown (Giordano Bruno was burnt because he
claimed the Earth being a ball, rather than a disk; just little
later, Galileo Galilei was lucky enough to survive; nazis as well as
socialism/communism suppressed scientific insights if they didn't
fit the dogma...many more examples exist) explanations (ie,
theories) should be established with an unbiased mind, and tests
_must_ be conducted and evaluated with an unbiased mind. "Committees
on truth" have not really contributed to scientific progress. This
is why Freedom of Science is essential to human progress on insights
"about the universe".<br>
<sup class="reference" style="white-space:nowrap;"></sup><br>
-Peter<br>
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Sanghee Shin
wrote:<br>
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Hi Marco and Peter,
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<div class="">Sorry for my ignorance. However I couldn’t tell the
difference between ancient greek oracle, Bible and modern
science. For me, those things are the same in terms that *The
Absolute* should/will be conveyed through *Imperfect* human
however the great virtue/categorical imperative those are
though.</div>
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<div class="">Kind regards, </div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
신상희<br class="">
---<br class="">
Shin, Sanghee<br class="">
Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.gaia3d.com"
class="">http://www.gaia3d.com</a>
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<div class="">2016. 5. 15., 오전 10:44, Marco Afonso <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mafonso333@gmail.com" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mafonso333@gmail.com">mafonso333@gmail.com</a></a>>
작성:</div>
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<div class="">
<p dir="ltr" class="">Hi Marc,</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">Software quality is not measured
by votes, comunity, marketing, governance models,
politics, economical interests, hypes or any other
social science.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">Software quality can be measured
using comparison tests from a scientific and
independent methods.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">Just to say that some positions
sound very biased and do not evaluate software using
independent methods.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">How do you measure a car quality?
By governance models? By comunities? By marketing or
hype? By economic potencial? This all sounds very
wrong.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">Cheers</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Em 15/05/2016 02:22, "Marc
Vloemans" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" class="">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>>
escreveu:<br type="attribution" class="">
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<div class="">Peter,</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">With regard to Rob's comments: I
conclude that the various commentators have
repeatedly pointed out that your line of
reasoning is either based on a
non-representative and even faulty sample of
experiences/examples (eg Jeroen and Rob) or on
the software's quality and popularity in certain
circles (eg Rob) without clarifying that
particular correlation to its project
management.</div>
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<div class="">In scientific terms that means your
thesis/argument does not hold up. By the way,
citing sources on quality still does not tell
anything about above correlation, so spare
yourself the effort. And comparing Rasdaman to
other OSGeoprojects still makes it an
odd-one-out, which no side-stepping the concerns
raised can hide.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Effectively, we seem to be running
in circles. But ..... we are not: all
commentators have been quite inviting, but you
still cannot convince them with true and
relevant reasons. You have even resorted to
calling at least me and (hopefully not too many)
others along the way 'activists'. Wording that
fits lesser democratic countries, organisations
and political systems. If that gives an insight
into the way you look at and treat
stakeholders/community members with a different
view from yours, then I fear you have shown our
community your true 'colors'/face/intention....</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">That is not running in circles but
straight into the abyss, somewhere in-between
OSGeo and Eclipse/LocationTech and other natural
allies, in an irrational and suicidal attempt
....... to achieve what exactly ????</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
Vriendelijke groet,
<div class="">Marc Vloemans</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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Op 14 mei 2016 om 15:00 heeft Rob Emanuele <<a
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href="mailto:rdemanuele@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rdemanuele@gmail.com">rdemanuele@gmail.com</a></a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br class="">
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<p dir="ltr" class="">Hi Peter,</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">This is the second time
I've heard you defend your position by
simply saying the greatness of the project
justifies whatever model you'd like for
project governance, and mention some
independent study that claims your software
is "way faster" and "wins all benchmarks".
These are bold, general and unqualified
claims that I would greatly like to
understand in a more detailed way. Please
site your sources.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">Best,<br class="">
Rob</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 14, 2016 5:43
AM, "Peter Baumann" <<a
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wrote:<br type="attribution" class="">
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class=""> OpenHub knows 66 code
contributors, and they do not even know
(and list) all over time. Hence, cannot
see anyone felt discouraged. Typical
rasdaman contributors are interested in
design by innovation and not design by
committee, and that community spirit has
made rasdaman a leading tool that wins
all benchmarks over GeoServer, SPARK,
etc.<br class="">
-Peter<br class="">
<br class="">
PS: suggesting a fork just because OSGeo
follows a narrow principle that does not
accommodate rasdaman makes me frown
about the ideals behind :)<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="">On 05/12/2016 02:57 PM,
Ian Turton wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I've been
trying to stay out of the arguments
about governance models because I
prefer to write code than worry
about licences or governance. But it
may help if I share a some anecdotes
(which is almost data) about a
couple of FOSS projects that came
out of academia when I was in
charge. One of these you may well
have heard of GeoTools, which forms
the base library of GeoServer, UDig,
GeoMesa and others, the other you
may not know GeoVista Studio.
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Both these libraries
started out as academic projects
that solved a research problem,
both were open sourced as a result
of the university claiming all the
intellectual property of it's
staff for ever (so why not give it
away?) in both cases I (and James
Macgil) were benevolent dictators
when the projects launched, it was
a simple governance model that
left us able to get on with coding
and researching and meant that
things went the way we wanted.
GeoTools started to get some users
and people started asking for bug
fixes and new features etc while
James & I had actual jobs to
do and wanted to spend time with
our families and go on holiday
etc. So we got some more people
involved such as TOPP and
Refractions and we sort of lucked
into a PSC and GeoTools went from
strength to strength and now has a
PSC that spans the globe (which
makes meeting times hard to find
but is otherwise awesome). In fact
for a while GeoTools and GeoServer
managed (or thrived) with no input
from me or James at all. However
GeoVISTA studio, only went open
source grudgingly (the PI's didn't
want to give up control really)
and never really gained more than
a few users because we didn't
allow other people to influence
the direction of development
(after all the university/PI was
paying for the development) and
thus there were only ever two or
three developers. As BD I had no
real interest in attracting new
users (previous experience had
taught me that's hard work). Once
James and then I moved on to other
jobs development stopped (though <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/geovistastudio/files/"
target="_blank" class="">apparently
someone downloaded a copy last
week)</a>.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">I'll leave you to draw
your own conclusions but my
feeling is that to make the move
from an academic to successful
FOSS project you need to move from
dictatorship to committee run
projects. If nothing else it
allows you some down time from
running the project while never
needing to give up having a say in
the running.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Ian</div>
<div class=""><br class=""
clear="all">
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">PS Some recent
emails have tried to suggest
that governance doesn't matter
if you have forkability but I
think that is a flawed view -
but if it is true maybe we could
just fork RASDAMAN and be done
with the discussion? :-)</div>
-- <br class="">
<div class="">Ian Turton<br
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- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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