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    Hi Sanghee,<br>
    <br>
    according to WIkipedia [1], <i><b>Science</b></i><i><sup
        id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a
          href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#cite_note-2">[nb
          1]</a></sup></i><i> is a systematic enterprise that builds and
      organizes </i><i><a
        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge" title="Knowledge">knowledge</a></i><i>
      in the form of testable </i><i><a
        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation"
        title="Explanation">explanations</a></i><i> and </i><i><a
        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions"
        title="Predictions" class="mw-redirect">predictions</a></i><i>
      about the </i><i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe"
        title="Universe">universe</a></i><i>.</i><i><sup id="cite_ref-3"
        class="reference"><a
          href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#cite_note-3">[nb
          2]</a></sup></i><i><sup id="cite_ref-EOWilson_4-0"
        class="reference"><a
          href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#cite_note-EOWilson-4">[2]</a></sup></i><br>
    <br>
    These testable explanations/predictions are tested against the part
    of the universe under exploration. Among the many competing
    explanations found the one is chosen which (i) best explains facts
    and (ii) is the simplest, in that order. Everybody is free to
    verify/falsify an explanation at any time.<br>
    <br>
    As a painful history has shown (Giordano Bruno was burnt because he
    claimed the Earth being  a ball, rather than a disk; just  little
    later, Galileo Galilei was lucky enough to survive; nazis as well as
    socialism/communism suppressed scientific insights if they didn't
    fit the dogma...many more examples exist) explanations (ie,
    theories) should be established with an unbiased mind, and tests
    _must_ be conducted and evaluated with an unbiased mind. "Committees
    on truth" have not really contributed to scientific progress. This
    is why Freedom of Science is essential to human progress on insights
    "about the universe".<br>
    <sup class="reference" style="white-space:nowrap;"></sup><br>
    -Peter<br>
    <br>
    [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science</a><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Sanghee Shin
      wrote:<br>
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      Hi Marco and Peter, 
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      <div class="">Sorry for my ignorance. However I couldn’t tell the
        difference between ancient greek oracle, Bible and modern
        science. For me, those things are the same in terms that *The
        Absolute* should/will be conveyed through *Imperfect* human
        however the great virtue/categorical imperative those are
        though.</div>
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      <div class="">Kind regards, </div>
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            신상희<br class="">
            ---<br class="">
            Shin, Sanghee<br class="">
            Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company<br class="">
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.gaia3d.com"
              class="">http://www.gaia3d.com</a> 
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              <div class="">2016. 5. 15., 오전 10:44, Marco Afonso <<a
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                작성:</div>
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                <p dir="ltr" class="">Hi Marc,</p>
                <p dir="ltr" class="">Software quality is not measured
                  by votes, comunity, marketing, governance models,
                  politics, economical interests, hypes or any other
                  social science.</p>
                <p dir="ltr" class="">Software quality can be measured
                  using comparison tests from a scientific and
                  independent methods.</p>
                <p dir="ltr" class="">Just to say that some positions
                  sound very biased and do not evaluate software using
                  independent methods.</p>
                <p dir="ltr" class="">How do you measure a car quality?
                  By governance models? By comunities? By marketing or
                  hype? By economic potencial? This all sounds very
                  wrong.</p>
                <p dir="ltr" class="">Cheers</p>
                <div class="gmail_quote">Em 15/05/2016 02:22, "Marc
                  Vloemans" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" class="">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>>
                  escreveu:<br type="attribution" class="">
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                      <div class="">Peter,</div>
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                      <div class="">With regard to Rob's comments: I
                        conclude that the various commentators have
                        repeatedly pointed out that your line of
                        reasoning is either based on a
                        non-representative and even faulty sample of
                        experiences/examples (eg Jeroen and Rob) or on
                        the software's quality and popularity in certain
                        circles (eg Rob) without clarifying that
                        particular correlation to its project
                        management.</div>
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                      <div class="">In scientific terms that means your
                        thesis/argument does not hold up. By the way,
                        citing sources on quality still does not tell
                        anything about above correlation, so spare
                        yourself the effort. And comparing Rasdaman to
                        other OSGeoprojects still makes it an
                        odd-one-out, which no side-stepping the concerns
                        raised can hide.</div>
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                      <div class="">Effectively, we seem to be running
                        in circles. But ..... we are not: all
                        commentators have been quite inviting, but you
                        still cannot convince them with true and
                        relevant reasons. You have even resorted to
                        calling at least me and (hopefully not too many)
                        others along the way 'activists'. Wording that
                        fits lesser democratic countries, organisations
                        and political systems. If that gives an insight
                        into the way you look at and treat
                        stakeholders/community members with a different
                        view from yours, then I fear you have shown our
                        community your true 'colors'/face/intention....</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">That is not running in circles but
                        straight into the abyss, somewhere in-between
                        OSGeo and Eclipse/LocationTech and other natural
                        allies, in an irrational and suicidal attempt
                        ....... to achieve what exactly ????</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                        Vriendelijke groet,
                        <div class="">Marc Vloemans</div>
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                        Op 14 mei 2016 om 15:00 heeft Rob Emanuele <<a
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                        het volgende geschreven:<br class="">
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                          <p dir="ltr" class="">Hi Peter,</p>
                          <p dir="ltr" class="">This is the second time
                            I've heard you defend your position by
                            simply saying the greatness of the project
                            justifies whatever model you'd like for
                            project governance, and mention some
                            independent study that claims your software
                            is "way faster" and "wins all benchmarks".
                            These are bold, general and unqualified
                            claims that I would greatly like to
                            understand in a more detailed way. Please
                            site your sources.</p>
                          <p dir="ltr" class="">Best,<br class="">
                            Rob</p>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On May 14, 2016 5:43
                            AM, "Peter Baumann" <<a
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                            wrote:<br type="attribution" class="">
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                                class=""> OpenHub knows 66 code
                                contributors, and they do not even know
                                (and list) all over time. Hence, cannot
                                see anyone felt discouraged. Typical
                                rasdaman contributors are interested in
                                design by innovation and not design by
                                committee, and that community spirit has
                                made rasdaman a leading tool that wins
                                all benchmarks over GeoServer, SPARK,
                                etc.<br class="">
                                -Peter<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                PS: suggesting a fork just because OSGeo
                                follows a narrow principle that does not
                                accommodate rasdaman makes me frown
                                about the ideals behind :)<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <div class="">On 05/12/2016 02:57 PM,
                                  Ian Turton wrote:<br class="">
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="">I've been
                                    trying to stay out of the arguments
                                    about governance models because I
                                    prefer to write code than worry
                                    about licences or governance. But it
                                    may help if I share a some anecdotes
                                    (which is almost data) about a
                                    couple of FOSS projects that came
                                    out of academia when I was in
                                    charge. One of these you may well
                                    have heard of GeoTools, which forms
                                    the base library of GeoServer, UDig,
                                    GeoMesa and others, the other you
                                    may not know GeoVista Studio. 
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
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                                    <div class="">Both these libraries
                                      started out as academic projects
                                      that solved a research problem,
                                      both were open sourced as a result
                                      of the university claiming all the
                                      intellectual property of it's
                                      staff for ever (so why not give it
                                      away?) in both cases I (and James
                                      Macgil) were benevolent dictators
                                      when the projects launched, it was
                                      a simple governance model that
                                      left us able to get on with coding
                                      and researching and meant that
                                      things went the way we wanted.
                                      GeoTools started to get some users
                                      and people started asking for bug
                                      fixes and new features etc while
                                      James & I had actual jobs to
                                      do and wanted to spend time with
                                      our families and go on holiday
                                      etc. So we got some more people
                                      involved such as TOPP and
                                      Refractions and we sort of lucked
                                      into a PSC and GeoTools went from
                                      strength to strength and now has a
                                      PSC that spans the globe (which
                                      makes meeting times hard to find
                                      but is otherwise awesome). In fact
                                      for a while GeoTools and GeoServer
                                      managed (or thrived) with no input
                                      from me or James at all. However
                                      GeoVISTA studio, only went open
                                      source grudgingly (the PI's didn't
                                      want to give up control really)
                                      and never really gained more than
                                      a few users because we didn't
                                      allow other people to influence
                                      the direction of development
                                      (after all the university/PI was
                                      paying for the development) and
                                      thus there were only ever two or
                                      three developers. As BD I had no
                                      real interest in attracting new
                                      users (previous experience had
                                      taught me that's hard work). Once
                                      James and then I moved on to other
                                      jobs development stopped (though <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/geovistastudio/files/"
                                        target="_blank" class="">apparently

                                        someone downloaded a copy last
                                        week)</a>.</div>
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                                    <div class="">I'll leave you to draw
                                      your own conclusions but my
                                      feeling is that to make the move
                                      from an academic to successful
                                      FOSS project you need to move from
                                      dictatorship to committee run
                                      projects. If nothing else it
                                      allows you some down time from
                                      running the project while never
                                      needing to give up having a say in
                                      the running.</div>
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                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">Ian</div>
                                    <div class=""><br class=""
                                        clear="all">
                                      <div class=""><br class="">
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="">PS Some recent
                                        emails have tried to suggest
                                        that governance doesn't matter
                                        if you have forkability but I
                                        think that is a flawed view -
                                        but if it is true maybe we could
                                        just fork RASDAMAN and be done
                                        with the discussion? :-)</div>
                                      -- <br class="">
                                      <div class="">Ian Turton<br
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Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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