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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Marco,<br>
      You have suggested that the OSGeo Incubation Graduation Checklist
      has zero software quality criteria? I respectfully disagree.<br>
      <br>
      It doesn't go down to the detail of "what UI tests exist?" Such
      criteria are project specific, and different for each project. You
      might be interested to do some research on software quality
      auditing practices, such as CMMI [1]. The extensive CMMI auditing
      practices spend more time on auditing the software development
      process than on specifying tests for quality. This is because
      there is a very strong correlation between good development
      processes and software quality.<br>
      <br>
      If you look more closely at the graduation checklist, you will
      notice there are checks for testing practices, and development
      processes which have a track record in producing good software.<br>
      <br>
      The Incubation checklist is not perfect, and could potentially be
      improved. Addressing project quality is typically not very
      glamorous and testing volunteers are almost always greatly
      appreciated.<br>
      <br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability_Maturity_Model_Integration">[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability_Maturity_Model_Integration</a><br>
      (Warning - reading this doc will be a huge time sink)<br>
      <br>
      Warm regards, Cameron<br>
      <br>
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      On 16/05/2016 8:46 AM, Marco Afonso wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">Hi Cameron,</p>
      <p dir="ltr">An amazing elaborate criteria about project aspects I
        must say.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">I'm also amazed how much criteria was defined to
        evaluate project's software quality, which is zero!</p>
      <p dir="ltr">What about performance? OS compatibility?
        Dependencies? usability? UI/UX? Code tests? problem solving
        features? deprecated code/tecnologies? Etc...<br>
        I could elaborate a list of dozens of itens that could really
        measure what is the fundamental: project's software.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">I thought that here at OSGeo you deal with geographic
        open source SOFTWARE solutions but now I see that I'm wrong. The
        content that you provide tells nothing about software qualities
        and facts, which are the ultimate criteria, even more
        considering for production status!</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Sorry to bother... :)</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Cheers</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">Em 15/05/2016 22:57, "Cameron Shorter"
        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>

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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Marco,<br>
            You might want to re-read the OSGeo Incubation Checklist
            [1], which is quite clear in the definition of a graduated
            OSGeo project.<br>
            (It is option 1 by your definition below).<br>
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            [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html"
              target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a>
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              <div>On 16/05/2016 3:45 am, Marco Afonso wrote:<br>
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                <p dir="ltr">Hi all,</p>
                <p dir="ltr">Could some answer what is the % of the
                  ponderation weight of software quality and the % of
                  the  ponderation weight of the project organization in
                  incubation decision?</p>
                <p dir="ltr">The first criteria is technologicaly
                  measureable.<br>
                  The second is not.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">Your evaluation method open the following
                  possibilities:</p>
                <p dir="ltr">1. Never accept a new project with high
                  quality software but a lower evaluation of the project
                  comunity.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">2. Accept low quality of software with high
                  project comunity.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">3. Accept a project with high comunity
                  evaluation but with old or deprecated software.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">So, to me, seems that you are giving too
                  much weight on the social aspect (hardly measurable)
                  of the project, instead of giving weight to software
                  quality (technologicaly measurable) which is
                  fundamental to your criteria of being for production
                  :)</p>
                <p dir="ltr">Marco<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">Em 15/05/2016 17:40, "Ian
                  Turton" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ijturton@gmail.com" target="_blank">ijturton@gmail.com</a>>

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                    <p dir="ltr">Marco, </p>
                    <p dir="ltr">I think you have missed the point of my
                      tales, both the projects that I wrote about are
                      open source (by any definition) but only the one
                      with an open organisation is thriving. </p>
                    <p dir="ltr">OSGeo is designed to support open and
                      sustainable development of geospatial solutions. A
                      benevolent dictatorship is a fragile model of
                      governance and so can not be acceptable to us as a
                      foundation. </p>
                    <p dir="ltr">The (perceived) quality of the software
                      is of no importance in this discussion if the
                      project fails due to a lack of community. </p>
                    <p dir="ltr">Ian </p>
                    <p dir="ltr">PS open hub notes geotools has 241
                      contributors if we are measuring success in these
                      metrics. <br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On 15 May 2016 14:40,
                      "Marco Afonso" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:mafonso333@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">mafonso333@gmail.com</a>>
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                        <p dir="ltr">Hi Anita,</p>
                        <p dir="ltr">Aha! So there is a ponderation
                          weight on software quality evaluation AND
                          project organization evaluation.</p>
                        <p dir="ltr">So you can exclude an open source
                          software with high quality if their
                          organization evaluation is low.</p>
                        <p dir="ltr">For me that seems wrong. A software
                          on a public repository is only limited by it's
                          licence terms, or unlimited at all. :)</p>
                        <p dir="ltr">Cheers</p>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">Em 15/05/2016 13:14,
                          "Anita Graser" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:anitagraser@gmx.at"
                            target="_blank">anitagraser@gmx.at</a>>
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                                style="font-size:small">Hi Marco,</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 15,
                                  2016 at 1:18 PM, Marco Afonso <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                      href="mailto:mafonso333@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mafonso333@gmail.com">mafonso333@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
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                                    <p dir="ltr">Once the software (as
                                      an object) is available on a
                                      public repository, it only matters
                                      it's license terms to evaluate
                                      it's restrictions. From there, it
                                      is irrelevant "whos behind it".</p>
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                                      style="font-size:small">​Here I
                                      have to strongly disagree. Imho,
                                      the job of OSGeo incubation is to
                                      evaluate a software project
                                      (software and organisation)
                                      therefore it makes no sense to
                                      limit discussions to software
                                      quality.</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_default"
                                      style="font-size:small">Best
                                      wishes,</div>
                                    <div class="gmail_default"
                                      style="font-size:small">Anita​</div>
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Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

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