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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Marc, Andrea,<br>
My point I'm hoping to make is that I think we might be spending
more time discussing ethical code-of-conduct type questions than I
think we need to. Yes it is important. Yes we need to flag bad
behaviour and resolve it. But hopefully we can limit such
discussions to 1% (or so) of our bandwidth - which we achieve by
referencing our code-of-conduct.<br>
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Disclaimer - I'm a privileged white male, living in a democratic
country, and I'm used to expecting good behaviour to be the norm.<br>
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Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/05/2016 9:48 AM, Andrea Ross
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<blockquote cite="mid:574CD140.2010002@eclipse.org" type="cite">That's
an unexpected response. Was someone suggesting OSGeo should be a
forum for human rights?</blockquote>
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On 31/05/2016 9:28 AM, Marc Vloemans wrote:<br>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I think you misunderstood the aim of
my comment.</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">I am not talking about human rights
as such. (Unless they are threatened, of course)</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I am addressing the need to guard and
promote our inclusivity. If we want to grow and develop as a
community we need to take any past/present/future concern about
it seriously. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">That is an integral part of our
marketing and communications effort: avoid wrong perceptions and
manage our public image where/when possible. Whether such
perceptions address the nature of our code, our projects, our
members, our organisation and its policies or our activities.</div>
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Hope this clarifies, cheers,
<div>Marc Vloemans</div>
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<p>All,</p>
<p>While I'm hugely in favour of mutual respect, and I
personally co-authored the OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct, I feel
that OSGeo shouldn't aim to be a forum for human rights.
(There are other places for this).<br>
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<p>Our primary focus should be on supporting the creation of
great OSGeo code, and supporting the communities doing this.</p>
<p>Having a Code-Of-Conduct in place is a small part of
supporting a community, and we should refer to it in cases
where conversations or interactions deviate from good
behavior, but I'm hopeful that we can leave it at that, and
focus our time on our core code writing passions.</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div>Thanks Andrea,</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">You are quite right,
unfortunately. Sharing and discussing experiences and
insights on this could come across as negative.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">The same happened when I read
an earlier discussion on a Code of Conduct for
conferences. Frankly I was abhorred that such code was
deemed necessary. Until I realised that I was perhaps
ignorant (living in Amsterdam is such a privilege).</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Can I invite you to share your
list-of-thoughts regarding potential pitfalls for a
Conference at least with me (marcvloemans1[at]<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>)?
It would be such a shame if we unintentionally overlook
the obvious!</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Cheers,</div>
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<br>
I started to write a whole bunch of thoughts related
to this but instead decided against as I felt it was
stating the obvious and I didn't want the thoughts to
be perceived as negative.<br>
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The essence was that these things you have listed are
great, and they help keep things from being screwed
up, but they're not the hard work that it takes to
really make a difference. So good, but so much more is
needed.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Andrea<br>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
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<div>To build upon the positive results as mentioned
in the thread below, I invite anyone to supply any
suggestion that may support the LOC FOSS4G 2016 in
Bonn Germany, regarding diversity related policies
during the actual Conference. Either directly to me
or via this list.</div>
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<div>As LOC we strive to be aware that public policies
and personal experiences vary per continent, region,
country and/or province. However, living in
Western-Europe we sometimes are unaware how
fortunate we are! That could hinder us in
anticipating potential fears, uncertainties and
doubts that visitors to Bonn may have.</div>
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<div>For starters, please note the following from <a
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<div>"<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);">Germany has become the first country in
Europe to enact a law that allows German citizens
to choose to neither identify as male or female on
their birth certificate, which has been said to
specifically benefit <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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background-image: none; text-decoration: none;">hermaphrodites</a> and <a
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title="Intersex" style="margin: 0px; padding:
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none; text-decoration: none;">intersex</a> persons."</span></div>
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<div>Unfortunately same sex marriage is still 'under
construction', but that does not reflect negatively
on a number of laws protecting the rights of the
LGBTI community (including registered partnership).</div>
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<div>Best regards and hopefully we meet in Bonn,</div>
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<div>Marc Vloemans</div>
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Vriendelijke groet,
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Everyone<br>
<br>
The sex/gender split was similar for FOSS4G NA
2016 as FOSS4G NA 2015. In the range of 25 to 30
percent women for both speakers and attendees.
We don't ask people their gender as part of
submitting or registering, so this is obviously
a best effort from having met a number of folks,
and discretely Google-stalking them just a
little.<br>
<br>
We probably had a record high number of trans
people participate, despite North Carolina's
HB2. Also because of HB2, many LGBT people
reached out to me before the conference to
understand what was being done, and to help
decide whether to boycott or not. We are so
grateful that so many did not boycott, and came
anyway. It was a moving experience for me to
learn how big the LGBT part of the community is
and get a bit of the sense of how important the
work they're doing is.<br>
<br>
Also, I want to call out the exemplary work of
the Raleigh Convention Center. They really went
above and beyond to ensure our attendees were
safe and comfortable. So far as I know, there
were zero instances of harassment of LGBT
people. Laurie Okun from the Convention Center
in particular was a superstar and so impressive
& professional from our first contact when
trying to assess Raleigh, through the chaos that
HB2 inflicted, and to the post-conference
follow-up. We are grateful.<br>
<br>
So many good things to note. I also want to note
that it is still a mostly white conference. So
the job is not done, and there's still much more
important work to be done.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Andrea<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for sharing
the synopsis; I'm especially encouraged by
(1) gender (identity) parity in the planning
committee (2) strong presence of
female-identifying folk at the conference
and (3) continued financial support for
attendees.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I'd be curious what
the gender split was across attendees v.
speakers -- possibly something worth
tracking across years of conferences to get
a sense of any shifts in attendee
demographics.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">cheers -</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">-k.bott</div>
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2016 at 7:09 AM, Mark Lucas <span
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I had
the pleasure of serving as the OSGeo
representative for the 2016 FOSS4G NA
conference selection and planning. I
thought the team did an excellent job
in selecting, planning and running the
conference. The team made the
decision to not pursue a 2017 NA
conference so as not to compete for
resources with the OSGeo international
conference. Our efforts will focus on
2018 planning and selection for the
next NA regional conference.
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<div>On a personal note I was
initially concerned about how the
relationship with Location Tech and
OSGeo would evolve. Our teaming has
resulted in yet another successful
conference that I believe plays to
the strengths of both
organizations. I was very pleased
with the openness and collaboration
that I witnessed.</div>
<div>— Mark<br>
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<div>The synopsis from Andrea Ross
is included below:
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NA 2016 Synopsis (please feel free to
re-use this data)</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
conference ran from May 2-5, at
the Raleigh Convention Center, in
Raleigh North Carolina. The code
sprint & unconference ran May
6 & 7 at Red Hat’s
headquarters, a few blocks from
the convention center. A Tour of
the NCSU OSGeo Research and
Education lab took place on May
6th.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
conference featured 1 day of
workshops, 3 days of sessions, a
code sprint, an unconference, and
social events every night. There
were 93 full length (35 minute)
sessions, 36 short length (15
minute) sessions, 10 workshops,
and 3 keynotes. This represented
an increase in full length. The
rooms were generally always near
full or slightly overflowing for
particularly popular talks,
despite them being big rooms.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
conference grew by 33% . There
were 558 attendees. This level of
increase is very positive, when so
many other conferences are in
decline.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Like
2015’s team, 50% of the 2016
committee were women. Also like
2015, a significant proportion of
speakers and attendees were women
(in the 30% range), which is great
to see.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">23
people were at the conference who
wouldn't have otherwise been
without the financial support we
gave them.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">From
the attendee survey, people were
clearly thrilled about the
conference... 99% positive
feedback. (n=102). The one
negative response said they were
disappointed there was no lunch
served. We’re not sure how they
missed it! The venue, the strong
program, and the positive &
supportive atmosphere were the
things people commented
(positively) on most.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">People
loved the keynotes, and especially
Tamar Cohen's entitled Extreme
Mapping.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
video recordings of sessions are
being uploaded to Youtube, with
dozens up, and more each day.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.755;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:13.333333333333332px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">90%
of sponsors rated the value
excellent. 10% rated it very good.
The layout of the conference was
especially appreciated as it meant
plenty of traffic for sponsors at
all times.</span></div>
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<div
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This
year’s conference was produced by
Andrea Ross and the team at the
Eclipse Foundation, the same as 2015.
Sarah Cordivano served as Community
Chair. Rob Emanuele was Program
Committee Chair, repeating the same
role he performed in 2015.</span></div>
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