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<p>Hi Robert,</p>
<p>I'm copying this announcement about the SLD Editor to the OSGeo
Discuss list, which will likely have more readers.</p>
<p>My comments relate to maturing of your SLD Editor software as a
project.</p>
<p>From your description, it sounds like you have created a valuable
piece of software, which successfully addresses ESRI Styles ->
SLD conversion, something which has been patchy in Open Source to
date. (It would be interesting to know how your SLD Editor
compares to the proprietary GeoCat Bridge, which provides similar
functionality).</p>
<p>I'm guessing the next logical step would be to mature your
project. This would involve attracting a community behind the
project - users and developers. It involves some marketing,
setting up of processes, supporting people, tracking bugs, etc.</p>
<p>It would be worth while looking at the OSGeo Incubation
Graduation Checklist [1], and start working toward addressing the
items on the checklist.</p>
<p>I'd also consider incorporating the SLD Editor as a module within
an existing OSGeo-Project. This will help with attracting a user
base, and gaining credibility. I suspect embedding the SLD Editor
in GeoServer might make sense?</p>
<p>With regards to including the SLD Editor into OSGeo-Live, I think
it would be a great edition, but possibly wouldn't meet maturity
guidelines for OSGeo-Live yet [2]. We might be able to include it
as a "hidden" project initially.</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
</p>
[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
bit more background information about the SLD Editor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
been developing the application for about 18 months as a
side project. The idea started when we did some consultancy
work and put together a proposal for an organisation to
migrate from an Esri system to an OpenLayers/GeoServer
stack. When it came to migrating ~1250 layers we didn’t know
what number to put down for symbol conversion to SLD. When
you looked at the numbers this was a large percentage of the
overall cost and something needed to be done to reduce it if
we were going to be competitive in doing migrations to open
source GIS systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
of our long standing large enterprise GIS systems required a
change to an SLD symbol which we used QGIS to edit. It
turned out there was a known bug that caused the change to
be forgotten. I looked to fix it, I’m very familiar with
C++ and Qt but found it difficult to debug and realised the
SLD styling data model was not completely implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
looked at GeoTools because I knew it could parse SLD files
and render them. Another big advantage is that it supports
all the GeoServer vendor options, in particular the
labelling. I got something simple working quite quickly and
it went from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ideally
all this functionality should be in QGIS but QGIS would have
to be rewritten to use a C++ version of GeoTools to be able
to render the GeoServer vendor options, which will not
happen overnight. We know of people that would love this
capability and I understand some peoples reluctance for yet
another application. I think as long as GeoServer is so
heavily used a Java desktop SLD Editor application is
acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
had discussions about developing a web-front end for the
application, a possibility. However not all GIS systems we
deliver are web based and certain projects I work on and
locations I work at, do not allow web access or a web server
to be deployed without going through a lot of hoops. If I
have a standalone desktop application I can do all my work
without having to rely on any other infrastructure. One of
the aims of the application was to be able to work in a
connected/disconnected environment, I don’t think all
users/developers understand this scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
architecture has evolved. I’ve rewritten parts of it several
times, sometimes because it didn’t deliver the right
functionality or sometimes because I thought it could be
done better (either I had a better idea or trying to improve
maintenance), sometimes because I was experimenting. Some
parts of the code definitely need to be cleaned up although
some frameworks/interfaces I’ve put in-place I think are
quite good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There
will be some work needed to understand why some symbols
don’t display. I’m thinking windbarbs where I believe I’m
passing the correct data but the symbol is not rendered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
also quite keen to progress the GeoPackage standard
supporting SLD files. I’m not certain whether the standard
supports this yet but GeoTools doesn’t let me store an SLD
file with a vector dataset that I can pass round in one
file. The SLD Editor has partially implemented this
functionality but it would be better if it was a standard
and would probably help increase the adoption of the
GeoPackage standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Robert Ward<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] SLD Editor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Welcome Robert:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is an impressive project, I was
able to checkout, report an issue, and now build :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are three ways for projects to
get involved in OSGeo:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Including your project in <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html">
OSGeo Live</a> is a great way to reach a wider audience<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. We have set up <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects">
Community Projects</a> as an outreach effort for OSGeo
providing an easy way for projects to join the foundation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. OSGeo <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html">Incubation</a>
which offers a much closer check into a project's health
and wellbeing <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">aside: Your SLD Editor project is much
larger project then your github history indicates, can you
tell me anything about the background of the project?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jody Garnett<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15 June 2016 at 05:30, Robert Ward
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Robert.Ward@scisys.co.uk" target="_blank">Robert.Ward@scisys.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">After
presenting at FOSS4G UK, we have released as open
source a Java SLD Editor based on GeoTools and think
it needs help from the wider open source GIS
community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The source
code, user guide and developer’s guide is available
here:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/robward-scisys/sldeditor"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/robward-scisys/sldeditor">https://github.com/robward-scisys/sldeditor</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
application is based on the GeoTools library which
underpins GeoServer and so has the advantage that
all GeoServer vendor options can be dynamically
rendered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Whilst not
wanting to duplicate work, this feature is not
available in QGIS, which is written in C++ and has a
different rendering engine that does not support
GeoServer vendor options.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
application is not complete and some areas need to
be refactored however I think the application in its
current state more than demonstrates what is
possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There will
certainly need to be collaboration with the GeoTools
project but in the future with the GeoPackage and
SLD standards groups.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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