<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'>Hi Henrique,<br> > "Therefore: OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes."<br> <br> I'm not sure that's a good take-home from the conversation so far.<br> The OSGeo appears to already have a pretty clear definition of what it considers free and open (from http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Open_Source ) :<br><br> "Open source software is software where the source code is made available under a license that allows the modification, and re-distribution of the software at will."<br> <br> So while there are multiple interpretations and variations for "free" and "open", as far as I can see, if software isn't distributed under an OSI approved license (https://opensource.org/licenses ), it's not "free and open" for the purposes of the current definition as used by the OSGeo.<br> Whether the OSGeo definition (or by extension the OSI one) is correct is a question that's beyond the scope of my reply. :-)<br><br>Cheers,<br>Jonathan<br><br><br><div class="zmail_extra"><div id="1">---- On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:00:38 +0100 <b>Munich Orientation Convention<volksnav@volksnav.de></b> wrote ---- <br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000FF; padding-left: 6px; margin:0 0 0 5px"><meta><meta><div lang="DE"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hello Brian,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>thank you for the confirmation that MOC isn’t (and shouldn’t be) free and open. Therefore: OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>My last approach concerned ideas to the Geo Awareness Week, that means, for young consumers. A similar situation: adults decide about writing, publishing and buying books for children.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>In Bonn there will a speech about free, open and libre. This shows that in some cases openmania could be the wrong way. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The site “free the post code” <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://www.freeThePostCode.org" target="_blank">www.freeThePostCode.org</a> proves that even enigmatic post codes aren’t free, therefore universities etc. promote it (by unreflected use?). According to my surveys, nobody knows where is the N/S/E/W transition point ( the pole ! ) in London. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I also wrote to the National Geographic and I’m sure that Geo Awareness and open mind will overcome. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>One possibility could be to amputate the invention to a free and open torso for those who insist on saving EUR 1,- . Would this be of interest for OSGeo?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Henrique</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border: none;border-top: solid rgb(181,196,223) 1.0pt;padding: 3.0pt 0.0cm 0.0cm 0.0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: Tahoma , sans-serif;">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: Tahoma , sans-serif;"> Discuss [mailto:<a subj="" mailid="discuss-bounces%40lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Brian M Hamlin<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 16. August 2016 21:29<br><b>An:</b> <a subj="" mailid="discuss%40lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a subj="" mailid="Standards%40lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:Standards@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Standards@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p>Dear Colleagues -</p><p> </p><p> I strongly object to this statement.. </p><p>" ... <span style="background: white;">t this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with... "</span></p><p> </p><p> There are numerous references to cite here.. details on request</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>best regards from Berkeley, California</p><p> --Brian M Hamlin PSC OSGeo-Live, California Chapter</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>##===============================</p><p><br>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:46:38 +0000<br>From: <<a subj="" mailid="b.j.kobben%40utwente.nl" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl" target="_blank">b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a>><br>To: <<a subj="" mailid="volksnav%40volksnav.de" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:volksnav@volksnav.de" target="_blank">volksnav@volksnav.de</a>>, <<a subj="" mailid="Suchith.Anand%40nottingham.ac.uk" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>,<br><<a subj="" mailid="discuss%40lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>>, <<a subj="" mailid="Standards%40lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:Standards@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Standards@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and<br>educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at<br>Geography Awareness Week<br>Message-ID: <<a subj="" mailid="F9C56C51-86AA-4DE0-AA51-45C103098BDD%40utwente.nl" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:F9C56C51-86AA-4DE0-AA51-45C103098BDD@utwente.nl" target="_blank">F9C56C51-86AA-4DE0-AA51-45C103098BDD@utwente.nl</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Quote: " The license fee for educational purposes is symbolically EUR 1,- "<br><br>This implies there is also a (higher?) non-educational fee, and also means IMHO that this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with...<br><br>Yours,<br><br>--<br>Barend Köbben<br>Senior Lecturer – ITC-University of Twente<br>PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (Netherlands)<br>ITC Building (room 1-065)<br>@barendkobben<br>+31-(0)53 4874 253</p></div>_______________________________________________<br>Standards mailing list<br><a subj="" mailid="Standards%40lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:Standards@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Standards@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards</a></div></blockquote><br></div><br></div></body></html>