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<p>Ha - I can't even spell Briliant. <br>
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<p>For instance - the school I work with has built a 2 week
curriculum around open street map. The teacher (a former college
associate from many years ago) knows the basics so the kids get a
taste. The problem is I don't like the curriculum because they
need to interface with the OSM community - and I can't interface
with the OSM community without cursing. So one week 3 years ago I
burned a lot of time trying to teach. I can't teach kids. Plus a
week from work (while only an hour a day - I work for me) was a
bit much. <br>
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<p>Kids know (I can only speak to the US) "GIS" - they have smart
phones. They know location ("How do I get to a Coffee Shop") and
the phone routes them there. So the lessons don't have to start at
"this is a computer" which in some cases I have to do while
teaching QGIS to adults. <br>
</p>
<p>The lessons just have to be simple. Easy. Update-able. QGIS is at
a 1 year LTR. So once a year we update the materials. Maybe GVSig?
<br>
</p>
<p>Three giant buttons on the FOSS4G4Teachers website: Help,
Download, More Help. <br>
</p>
<p>What ESRI is missing with this rollout is it's internet based.
The school I work with - internet is sporadic at best (I live in a
city where we have the ability to have 1 Gigabit Fiber to the
house but schools are left out). So online lessons will not work.
Give them a bootable disk with Lessons and Community. Someone go
bother Mapbox/Carto for some "internet" based something - see if
they want to help carry it farther. Maybe we have USB Sticks for
order? Something easy and small. <br>
</p>
<p>In 1 year you start to change the noise. <br>
</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong - GIS is my focus. I still have to use ESRI
Software. It's good software. I come here for Community. We have
that nailed down - it's a time issue. Maybe a language issue also
(english, spanish, and......) . We've got everything else. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/28/2016 10:16 AM, Hogan, Patrick
(ARC-PX) wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Randy,
you are a brilliant voice of reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
sure the cat wants you to be free to speak.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Glad
it didn’t get your tongue. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Discuss [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randal Hale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 28, 2016 6:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news
from the web...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere.
They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to
schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout
to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up
moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back
and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is
Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers
are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be
using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable
to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can
still run FOSS4G software.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the
case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so
nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and
here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have
people targeted to do just that. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So what would Randy do (and I've thought
about this more than I care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G
into the schools:
<br>
<br>
A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS -
other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A
few select pieces of software with a purpose:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student
oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16)<o:p></o:p>
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
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level2 lfo1">
Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have
different local datasets. <o:p>
</o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
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level1 lfo1">
An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like
we do - they need us there for hand holding and
encouragement. They can manage kids - We need to help manage
the lessons. I'm not a teacher. I can teach adults - but not
kids - it's a whole different game. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and
the disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB
stick).
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town
has 30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be
everywhere. ESRI put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a
call.
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
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We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does.
They have an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had
community. We have momentum now. Community is greater than
an Advertising budget.
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
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Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
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Update it. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p>I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I
think it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day
on nothing but FOSS4G.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll
carve out some time if this gets going. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As if someone is reading this ha, a tweet
just came across my desk:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048">https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048</a>
<br>
<br>
So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant
the open seed early :) A challenge indeed.
<br>
<br>
Think on this over the weekend, <br>
<br>
-jeff <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sadly, only
ESRI seems to exist for some in the USA...Imagine the
<br>
consequences of <br>
this: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth">http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sergio Acosta y Lara <br>
Departamento de Geomática <br>
Dirección Nacional de Topografía <br>
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas <br>
URUGUAY <br>
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/">http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________
<br>
Discuss mailing list <br>
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<pre>Randal Hale<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>North River Geographic Systems, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.northrivergeographic.com">http://www.northrivergeographic.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>423.653.3611 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>twitter:rjhale<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Randal Hale
North River Geographic Systems, Inc
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.northrivergeographic.com">http://www.northrivergeographic.com</a>
423.653.3611 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a>
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