<div dir="ltr">+1 Keep it simple.<div><br></div><div>Doug</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Randal Hale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com" target="_blank">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The way I look at it - and this is from watching Teachers at the
school: Imagine getting a disk full of software. Have a colleague
come over and repeatedly poke you in the head while you try to
figure out what is on the disk and where the instructions are. In
a few more minutes have someone come over and start singing while
you are getting poked in the head. Maybe someone pours water in
your shoe in another 2 minutes. <br>
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<p>It needs to be that simple. That's what the ESRI folk are doing
"Lessons, 'free', and here is the Documentation". <br>
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<p>Simple: software, x directories with x lessons.</p>
<p>A giant Red button with "Don't Panic" in nice friendly letters. <br>
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<div class="m_-4165134999173271446moz-cite-prefix">On 10/28/2016 10:39 AM, Angelos Tzotsos
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<div class="m_-4165134999173271446moz-cite-prefix">So according to Randal, to reach out
to schools we need a scaled-down and lighter OSGeo-Live build
(probably without the server side applications), with different
documentation included. Maybe based on Edubuntu?<br>
<br>
I volunteer to make a custom OSGeo-Live iso for kids, but we
will need lots of feedback and volunteers to shape up a new
documentation.<br>
<br>
Last year I had the chance to teach several hours of
OpenStreetMap to school kids in a municipality initiative and I
can totally agree that things are different with kids. They did
not seem to have much difficulty with the OSGeo-Live UI, but we
ended up playing with iD and less with desktop applications,
like josm. <br>
<br>
just my 2c<br>
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Angelos<br>
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On 10/28/2016 04:55 PM, Randal Hale wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). <br>
<br>
The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere.
They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to
schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout
to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up
moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back
and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is
Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers are
better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be using
them longer than what they need to. They will be unable to run
the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run
FOSS4G software. <br>
<br>
The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the
case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so
nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and
here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have
people targeted to do just that. <br>
<br>
So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I
care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools: <br>
<br>
A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS -
other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A
few select pieces of software with a purpose: <br>
<br>
* 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student
<br>
oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16) <br>
o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have
different <br>
local datasets. <br>
* An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like
we do - <br>
they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They
can <br>
manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a
teacher. <br>
I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different
game. <br>
* A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and
the disk <br>
(maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick). <br>
* Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town
has 30+ <br>
schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI
put <br>
out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call. <br>
* We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They
have <br>
an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We
have <br>
momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising
budget. <br>
* Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. <br>
* Update it. <br>
<br>
I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think
it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on
nothing but FOSS4G. <br>
<br>
We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll
carve out some time if this gets going. <br>
<br>
I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. <br>
<br>
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On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">As if someone is reading this ha, a
tweet just came across my desk: <a class="m_-4165134999173271446moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/<wbr>GIS4Teachers/status/<wbr>791981572991746048</a>
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<br>
So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant the
open seed early :) A challenge indeed. <br>
<br>
Think on this over the weekend, <br>
<br>
-jeff <br>
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On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Sadly, only ESRI seems to exist for
some in the USA...Imagine the <br>
consequences of <br>
this:
<a class="m_-4165134999173271446moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth" target="_blank">http://www.pobonline.com/<wbr>articles/100610-gathering-up-<wbr>geospatial-pros-to-meet-<wbr>massive-market-growth</a><br>
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Sergio Acosta y Lara <br>
Departamento de Geomática <br>
Dirección Nacional de Topografía <br>
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas <br>
URUGUAY <br>
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 <br>
<a class="m_-4165134999173271446moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/" target="_blank">http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/</a>
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