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<p>Thanks Andrea. Excellent suggestions and good to see that this topic is of interest in the mailing list discussion!</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Da:</b> Andrea Giacomelli <pibinko@gmail.com><br>
<b>Inviato:</b> giovedì 27 luglio 2017 11:08<br>
<b>A:</b> OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Massimiliano Cannata; Dirk Frigne; eu@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo Board; Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a European Chapter</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi - in the midst of end-of-month deadlines I missed the first part of this thread....please feel free to relay to the "eu" or "board" lists.
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<div>a) One comment/recommendation, reproposing the one I made in Jan 2007 during the founding meeting of GFOSS.it aka Italian Chapter.</div>
<div>This concerning the composition of the board / steering committee: it would greatly help if there were a mechanism to insure an equal presence from different stakeholder groups...namely: academics, (small-medium) enterprises, public-sector users, and possibly
even "just citizens" with some level of geomatic maturity***.</div>
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<div>b) With such a composition, and a minimal level of resources to insure that the chapter can run a minimal set of activities, there is a starting point for an action of the chapter which will balance and harmonize different agendas.</div>
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<div>Without these conditions, there is a possibility that different scenarios may happen (i.e. the chapter may become a marketing office, or a "pure research lab", a "mapping party shop", etc...depending on the prevailing resources). </div>
<div>Such evolutions may also be fine, as long as the community is aware of "paradigm shifts" in the expectations of what a volunteer-based venture should produce (...this related to the importance of defining a roadmap, as indicated by Jachim).</div>
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<div>c) Having followed for 20 years now the development of geomatics in relation to "EU stuff", having consistently advocated FOSS4G principles in EU-level activities in which I have been involved, and currently being engaged in EU-centered actitivities, I
will be very interested to see the development of an OSGEU-EU Chapter.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-07-26 9:03 GMT+02:00 Maria Antonia Brovelli <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Dear Maxi</div>
<div>Well noted. We'll discuss about that as well. This is a relevant point. Thank you for suggesting solutions. </div>
<div>Are there other comments by other members?</div>
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From: Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><wbr>>
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Date: 25/07/2017 14:13 (GMT+01:00) <br>
To: Dirk Frigne <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>, OSGeo Discussions <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>>,
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Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a European Chapter
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<div dir="auto">Dear European charter members and OSGeo board,
<div dir="auto">I would like to express my support for an OSGeo continental chapter and provide my point of view, that even if often considered uncomfortable, hope will bring discussion to improve.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I hope that before starting the chapter:</div>
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<div dir="auto">* there is a clear and equitable rule for using the OSGeo name in European bids (see h2020 for example) since this may be a competitive advantage.</div>
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<div>It is totally unclear to me how OSGeo-EU would relate to H2020 projects for example:</div>
<div>- Will it participate as a partner in any calls? </div>
<div>- How the selection of supported project will be done? </div>
<div>- How, in case of funding, allocated money will be distributed to members?</div>
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<div dir="auto">* there is a defined and focused coordination with local chapters </div>
<div>- synergies are needed to avoid duplication of efforts and adoption of a common action line.</div>
<div>- ideally I'd like to see a hierarchical structure from international to continental and national level "chapters" but this is a matter for the board..</div>
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<div dir="auto">Here some proposed actions, </div>
<div dir="auto">that in my opinion would demonstrate the open principle of the OSGeo European Chapter community:</div>
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<div dir="auto">* run a democratic election of the board representatives within 6 months from the inception</div>
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<div>* include all the OSGeo charter member that express their willing as "full" member (was charter member in OSGeo not sure how "full member" is in OSGeo-EU)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il 24 lug 2017 2:56 PM, "Dirk Frigne" <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution">
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Maria<br>
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"is a member of a local chapter also a charter<br>
> member of Eu Chapter? Or we will have a complex structure where local<br>
> chapter members can be not Eu charter members but charter members of<br>
> OSGeo as a whole?"<br>
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No, as Jody and Lucca already mentioned, this is an organisation of<br>
volunteers. Everybody who wants to volunteer can become a member, but<br>
volunteers can also be 'only' OSGeo members.<br>
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The "official" OSGeo-Europe members are responsible to guard the correct<br>
working of the organisation, as a legal structure. 22 volunteers<br>
expressed there interest to become a founding member and have signed the<br>
bylaws that we discussed last year as a google drive document, and<br>
during the BOF of July 19 2017.<br>
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As a community we appreciate the help of everybody who wants to promote<br>
Geo free and open source software. Everybody who want's to support the<br>
local chapter can add his name on the wiki [1]. As of today there are<br>
already 27 names on the list. The bylaws have a mechanism to add these<br>
members as "full members" during the next general assembly (a similar<br>
process as for OSGeo.org).<br>
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But as Lucca already mentioned: it is more important to be a member of<br>
OSGeo.org, although I hope we can make OSGeo.org stronger trough the<br>
initiative we are setting up.<br>
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Once we've got our formal acceptance by the OSGeo Board, we will publish<br>
the bylaws in the Belgian Official Journal and create the legal<br>
structure. We will start to setup the agenda of the typical European<br>
points we want to work on this first year asap after acceptance.<br>
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Dirk<br>
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PS. I added the European list as I think this discussion also concerns<br>
the European list.<br>
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[1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Europe" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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On 2017-07-23 15:32, Luca Delucchi wrote:<br>
> On 23 July 2017 at 12:54, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> All local chapters have the same relationship with OSGeo.<br>
>><br>
>> A key reason to found a local chapter is to interact and advocate for open<br>
>> source on a regional city, state or national or union level - something the<br>
>> global osgeo organization is not in the best position to do.<br>
>><br>
>> I do not think it is useful (or any of our business) to ask about members<br>
>> being automatically in a group. We are a volunteer organization and members<br>
>> volunteer where their hearts lie.<br>
>><br>
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> I fully agree with Jody, OSGeo EU will be a local chapter with its<br>
> freedom as all the others, only the people who want be part of it<br>
> should be part of it (for example I'm in Italian local chapter but<br>
> right now I choose to not be part of OSGeo EU)<br>
><br>
> As I already told during this days I don't fully believe on it right<br>
> now (maybe in the future will be different) and I'm a little bit<br>
> worried about the energy that it will take from other<br>
> activities/chapter.<br>
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> However with more than 20 founders, most of them really well known in<br>
> the OSGeo family, I think that OSGeo EU should be accepted as new<br>
> chapter.<br>
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> my2cents<br>
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