<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I'm all for promoting "as much free and open source software for geospatial" as possible on our web page. Our target is community outreach, to destroy borders, this IMHO is part of our vision and mission [1] <br></div><div><h2 style="margin-bottom:0.5em;font-size:1.6em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);font-weight:normal;padding-bottom:0.2em;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">OSGeo Vision</h2><span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Empower everyone with open source geospatial</span><h2 style="margin-bottom:0.5em;font-size:1.6em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);font-weight:normal;padding-bottom:0.2em;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">OSGeo Mission Statement</h2><p style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.9em;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Foster global adoption of open geospatial technology by being an inclusive software foundation devoted to an open philosophy and participatory community driven development.</p></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>I do not care much about LocationTech's business and I did not see any act - open or hidden - which would violate our vision or mission and that would be in contradiction to what we do. Quite opposite, I see LocationTech promoting the open (and OSGeo) idea quite a lot. Still, their business is different from ours.</div><div><br></div><div>We are open community - and that includes (among others) LocationTech - do not take this value from us.</div><div><br></div><div>The same way, some OSGeo members are looking at LocationTech, could OGC look at OSGeo - with our "community" standards initiative, we are covering some of their agenda. Yet I did not see that happen, since the final target is different (even global mission is similar)<br><br>This is just my opinion, my $0.02 to the repeating discussion. You surely can disagree</div><div><br></div><div>Jachym<br><br>P.S. Thank you all "LocationTech insiders", who are working for OSGeo, great job!</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">so 19. 8. 2017 v 2:53 odesílatel Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> napsal:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dear Helmut</div>
<div>I think that your question are relevant. Thank you so much!</div>
<div>Jeffrey did an excellent work (thanks also to you) in trying to make the new website ready in beta version for FOSS4G 2018.</div>
<div>It is a sort of draft website and every comment is welcome.</div>
<div>In the hurry of the last period and the overlappinh holidays of many people we have not had time to check it. </div>
<div>But the website is our window and we have to decide what we want to show to the world. Therefore it deserves time for checking and also finding agreements among us.</div>
<div>I agree with the proposal of Maxi to freeze it and give the possibility to the community to express themselves on this important topic. </div>
<div>I will take my time in next weeks to check it and I ask everybody of the community to do the same and share their thoughts.</div>
<div>Thanks again for your precious help!</div>
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From: Helmut Kudrnovsky <<a href="mailto:hellik@web.de" target="_blank">hellik@web.de</a>> <br>
Date: 18/08/2017 17:00 (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Marc Vloemans <<a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>, <a href="mailto:hmitaso@ncsu.edu" target="_blank">hmitaso@ncsu.edu</a>
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Cc: OSGeo Discussions <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>>, Sandro Santilli <<a href="mailto:strk@kbt.io" target="_blank">strk@kbt.io</a>> <br></div></div><div><div>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community <br>
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<div class="m_8806711198633488063PlainText">Dear Venka, Dear Helena, Dear Marc, Dear OSGeo Community,<br>
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I'm some kind of surprised about the reactions and long threads about my question yesterday.<br>
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Just back from a long walk along a nice alpine river where I had time to contemplate about it. Therefore it will be a personal and some kind of philosophical note.<br>
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In my personal, cultural and scientific background I was educated that asking questions isn't anything bad.<br>
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* Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, to learn more about it ...<br>
* Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, I'm involved, and where I have some kind of responsibility, to take care that it evolves in a sustainable way ...<br>
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citing [1]:<br>
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"The third category is Charter Member. Individuals in this category have the same rights as the above Member category, but with two important differences. Firstly, individuals in this category are not self-selected, but rather must be voted into this category
by the other Charter Members. Secondly, individuals in this category have the right to vote in elections for other Charter Members, and for Board Members.<br>
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These two factors are intended to maintain the integrity of the Foundation election processes -- and by extension the integrity of the Foundation itself. We use the term "Charter" Member to explicitly indicate that these members are responsible for upholding
the "charter" of the Foundation."<br>
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As I'm honoured to be elected an OSGeo charter member, this is a high motivation for me to volunteer e.g. this year as OSGeo GSoC admin, to have fun within the GRASS community and to promote OSGeo and free and open source GIS whenever I have a chance to do
so... and from time to time it encourages me to ask questions about OSGeo's evolution. So here we are now ...<br>
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Community and communication .... both have the same latin word stem: communis.<br>
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I like OSGeo's do-ocracy :-) ... but also I think it's now time to rephrase the open source mantra to "communicate often, communicate early" :-) ... that OSGeo is able to evolve in a sustainable way!<br>
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Kind regards<br>
Helmut <br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/Membership" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/Membership</a><br>
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Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 21:15 Uhr<br>
Von: "Marc Vloemans" <<a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>><br>
An: "Sandro Santilli" <<a href="mailto:strk@kbt.io" target="_blank">strk@kbt.io</a>><br>
Cc: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <<a href="mailto:hellik@web.de" target="_blank">hellik@web.de</a>>, "OSGeo Discussions" <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
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@Helmut et all,<br>
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Thanks for another opportunity to give the community more insights in what LocationTech (the Eclipse Industry Working Group for spatially aware software) entails and how it relates to OSGeo!<br>
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We help co-develop and co-promote OSGeo projects in general (including GPL-projects!) through<br>
- sponsoring codesprints (e.g. Here in Boston tomorrow) and<br>
- co-organising events (e.g. codesprints and Foss4g North Amerika)<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Marc Vloemans<br>
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> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 12:53 heeft Marc Vloemans <<a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br>
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> Dear Sandro,<br>
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> We (Eclipse Foundation -LocationTech) are 'not against it' ! I repeat; not against........did I mention 'not'?<br>
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> GPL is approved by OSI, just like the EPL. We are on the same team. The word 'against' suggests we are at odds with each other over this. Which we are not, never have been and never will be.<br>
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> Our members (businesses, academia, NGO's) work with/on projects that incorporate various licenses. Individual choices depend on 'the right tools for the job'. Developers work on projects and in communities that encompass a wide spectrum of licenses.<br>
> End-users (the ones that fund so many of open spatial projects) determine and decide which tools will suit their purposes. And they love our community's versatility to meet their demands. Thus furthering the overall success of open spatial IT in the world.<br>
> The present full spectrum of projects provides a compelling, comprehensive storyline as is demonstrated by an increasing number of implementations. Worldwide, across industry verticals, profits, non-profits, etc etc.<br>
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> Hope this clarifies and let's together move forward!<br>
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> Kind regards,<br>
> Marc Vloemans<br>
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>>> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 11:25 heeft Sandro Santilli <<a href="mailto:strk@kbt.io" target="_blank">strk@kbt.io</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br>
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>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:<br>
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>>> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?<br>
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>> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is<br>
>> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)<br>
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>> --strk;<br>
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