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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jody,<o:p></o:p></span></font></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, this is a great and truly elemental ^concept^ for how we consider and name our efforts, so that they might
be best appreciated by a welcoming world.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just for an added alternative, and not to suggest that the discussion shouldn’t remain software vs projects, but
how about the word ‘enterprise’? Not sure if this might be a real consideration or something just to toss out there and toss away.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The word project seems more definitive than the word software, and the word enterprise, though grand, may be too
grandiose. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Open Source Projects<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Discuss
[mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Jody Garnett<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:03 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [OSGeo-Discuss] presenting open source software or open source projects<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I would like to bring to discuss a question that we are struggling with for the website/rebranding - do we present "open source software" or "open source projects"?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This is not an easy answer, as the earlier discussion on this list did not know how to recognize projects doing a rewrite (example OL2 --> OL3, or project teams expanding
and developing additional software components like QGIS Server.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Here is the email from the marketing list:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">The choose-a-project wizard is now working, we had to cut down some of the tags last week and change how the pages were done to make it happen.</span></font><br>
This touches on a conversation with Steve Feldman from the code sprint. As part of the focus exercise the <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/" target="_blank">home page</a> was changed to says "Choose your software" which then links to "choose-a-project". <br>
It does bring up two interesting cases:<br>
1) <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/qgis/" target="_blank">http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/qgis/</a> <br>
QGIS - has several software projects now under one banner: QGIS Desktop, QGIS Server, more?<br>
This is kind of messing with the system (and resulting in oddities like QGIS being listed as a cloud processing service, I assume QGIS server could run in the cloud and qgis desktop offers processing).<br>
2) <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/gvsig/" target="_blank">http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/gvsig/</a><br>
Same thing, there are now multiple gvSig software projects: gvSIG Desktop, gvNIX, gvSIG Mobile, i3Geo <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Recommendation for the beta website:<br>
- Making the QGIS Association page under Partners, linking to individual pages for QGIS and QGIS Server project pages.<br>
- Makin the gvSIG Association link to the individual software project pages for gvSIG Desktop, gvNIX, gvSIG Mobile, i3Geo.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">And Steven Feldman's reply:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My 1st thoughts on ‘projects’ and ‘software' are to look at definitions:<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Project</span></b>:<br>
<i><span style="font-style:italic">"In contemporary <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_sector" target="_blank" title="Business sector"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">business</span></font></a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science" target="_blank" title="Science"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">science</span></font></a>,
a <b><span style="font-weight:bold">project</span></b> is an individual or collaborative enterprise, possibly involving research or design, that is carefully <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan" target="_blank" title="Plan"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">planned</span></font></a>,
usually by a project team, to achieve a particular aim.<sup id="gmail-m_9162389393469622551cite_ref-1"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-1" target="_blank"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[1]<br>
</span></font></a></sup>A project may also be a set of interrelated tasks to be executed over a fixed period and within certain cost and other limitations.<sup id="gmail-m_9162389393469622551cite_ref-2"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-2" target="_blank"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[2]<br>
</span></font></a></sup>It may be a temporary (rather than permanent) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_system" target="_blank" title="Social system"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">social systems</span></font></a> as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_systems" target="_blank" title="Work systems"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">work
systems</span></font></a> that is constituted by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team" target="_blank" title="Team"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">teams</span></font></a> within or across organizations to accomplish
particular <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_(project_management)" target="_blank" title="Task (project management)"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">tasks</span></font></a> under time constraints.<sup id="gmail-m_9162389393469622551cite_ref-3"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-3" target="_blank"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[3]</span></font></a></sup> A
project may be a part of a wider <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_management" target="_blank" title="Programme management"><font color="#0b0080"><span style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">programme management</span></font></a>” </span></i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-style:italic">https://en.</span></i>wikipedia.org/wiki/Project</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Software</span></b>:<br>
</span></font><b><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">"Computer software</span></font></i></b><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic">, or simply <b><span style="font-weight:bold">software</span></b>,
is a part of a </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_system" target="_blank" title="Computer system"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">computer system</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> that
consists of </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(computing)" target="_blank" title="Data (computing)"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">data</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> or
computer instructions, in contrast to the </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware" target="_blank" title="Computer hardware"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">physical
hardware</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> from which the system is built. In </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science" target="_blank" title="Computer science"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">computer
science</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> and </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering" target="_blank" title="Software engineering"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">software
engineering</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic">, computer software is all </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information" target="_blank" title="Information"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">information</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> processed
by </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_system" target="_blank" title="Computer system"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">computer systems</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic">, </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program" target="_blank" title="Computer program"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">programs</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> and
data. Computer software includes </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program" target="_blank" title="Computer program"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">computer
programs</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic">, </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_(computing)" target="_blank" title="Library (computing)"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">libraries</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> and
related non-executable </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(computing)" target="_blank" title="Data (computing)"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">data</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic">,
such as </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_documentation" target="_blank" title="Software documentation"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">online
documentation</span></font></a></i><i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-style:italic"> or </span></font><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media" target="_blank" title="Digital media"><font color="#0b0080" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">digital
media</span></font></a></i><i><font color="#222222" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;font-style:italic">.</span></font></i><i><font size="2" color="#222222" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;font-style:italic">” </span></font></i><i><font color="#222222" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;font-style:italic"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software</a></span></font> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font color="#222222" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">My interpretation: <br>
Each different application e.g. QGIS Desktop, QGIS server is ‘software’ (or we could alternatively use ‘application’ or 'program')<br>
The QGIS Project is the umbrella organisation/collaboration/social construct/enterprise that encompasses and coordinates the individual software/applications/programs<br>
I think the important thing for us as a marketing group is to consider what these terms mean to potential users rather than how we use them internally (for our community ‘project' can be interchangeable with ‘software’).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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both the technology and the people.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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