<html><head/><body><html><head><meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width" /><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/vnd.ui.insecure+html;charset=utf-8" /></head><body style="overflow-wrap:break-word; word-break: break-word;"><div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em">Maria,<br>
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I agree with you, presenting links to proprietary software on the OSGeo website is nonsense.<br>
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I've just reread my initial mail and I can't see anything in it against support for migration.<br>
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Moreover I wonder that no one react on my main sentence:<br>
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"I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who will be our OSGeo's future."<br>
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If you understand and know nowadays click-and-read behavior of internet users, the mean time to stay on a website is about 5 seconds.<br>
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If you want to foster migration and keep website visitors' attention high, fancy and catchy screenshots of use cases, short videos of cool stuff with open data etc etc etc is highly effective. <br>
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Hakuna Matata<br>
Helmut<br>
-- </div><div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em">Am 21.09.17, 08:30, "María Arias de Reyna" <delawen+osgeo@gmail.com> schrieb:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p dir="ltr">>> On 20 September 2017 at 02:41, Helmut Kudrnovsky <<a href="mailto:hellik@web.de">hellik@web.de</a>> wrote:<br />
>>><br />
>>> Dear OSGeo community<br />
>>><br />
>>> I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to<br />
>>> "similar proprietary products" [1] to your attention.<br />
>>><br />
>>> My comment there:<br />
>>><br />
>>> "I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary<br />
>>> Products" should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software<br />
>>> out there, there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of<br />
>>> e.g. a reviewed scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - if<br />
>>> they want to - may link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve such<br />
>>> links. As already elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key if such<br />
>>> items are listed, but I can't see this happen. "<br />
>>><br />
>>> I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects<br />
>>> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is<br />
>>> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such<br />
>>> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce<br />
>>> nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on<br />
>>> tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young who<br />
>>> will be our OSGeo's future.<br />
>>><br />
>>> Kind regards<br />
>>> Helmut<br />
>>> OSGeo charter member<br />
>>><br />
>>> [1] <a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100">https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100</a><br />
>>> [2] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-September/036217.html">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-September/036217.html</a><br />
>>> _______________________________________________<br />
>>> Discuss mailing list<br />
>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br />
>>> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br />
>><br /></p>
<p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">On my opinion, it makes sense to show relation between propietary and<br />
free and open software. Just because we want to people to migrate to<br />
free and open source software, so it is good if they can search for<br />
the software they are currently using to know what software will they<br />
use. It makes sense, it makes life easier on migrations.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Said this, I prefer the "Migrate from" label much better. And sure, no<br />
link to the product, just the name. Why would we need a link? If they<br />
don't know what that software is, the information is useless to them.<br />
If they already know what that software is, the information is<br />
redundant. So having a name is fine, having a link is nonsense.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Is "Migrate from" label aggresive? Not at all. We are OsGeo, we are<br />
promoting FLOSS. Promoting FLOSS means we are encouraging people to<br />
move from propietary to open. That is our philosophy, that is our<br />
motto. If propietary software feels bad because we follow our goals...<br />
well, then maybe they should stop promoting their own software too<br />
because that makes me feel bad.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards,<br />
María.<br />
</p>
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