<div dir="ltr">Thanks Even I was going to try and circle back to this today.<div><br></div><div>We do have the wish to list product names, notably for supported formats and interoperability. The <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/geoserver/">http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/geoserver/</a> page lists for example:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><b>Server data from a variety of data sources</b></div></div><div><div>Vector: Shapefiles, External WFS, PostGIS, ArcSDE, DB2, Oracle Spatial, MySql, SQL Server and more!</div></div><div><div>Raster: GeoTiff, JPG and PNG (with world file), image pyramid, GDAL formats, Image Mosaic, Oracle GeoRaster, NetCDF</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We do have a legitimate reason to use product names, but there is reason to be careful/respectful when doing so. In the above list we should probably add SQLServer® for example, and a footnote to the page.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 September 2017 at 12:10, Even Rouault <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On jeudi 21 septembre 2017 11:20:54 CEST Jeffrey Johnson wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> We have that kind of page here</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/about/migrate-open-source-gis/" target="_blank">http://osgeo.getinteractive.<wbr>nl/about/migrate-open-source-<wbr>gis/</a> ... The</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> link was removed from the hero area when Steve Feldman changed this in</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Boston, so there is no content there now.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Are we not willing to even mention the names of these proprietary</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> products for fear of 'promoting' them? Or do we want to present the</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> user coming from outside our community some context about which open</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> source projects are an analogue or replacement for the proprietary</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> products they are already familiar with? Thats the real question in my</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> mind.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</span><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I cannot honestly think that anyone would seriously believe we are promoting</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">proprietary software if they are mentionned under a "Migrate from" label. But</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">the point here about if we can legally use other product names (and if that</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">is a use of a trademark) in that context is a good one. They are probably rules</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">and good practices to follow in doing so, which can depend on juridictions (probably</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">US law applies here if the site is hosted in the US). </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Quickly researching about the topic leads to this article:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="https://moz.com/blog/comparative-advertsing-can-i-talk-about-my-competitor-on-my-website" target="_blank">https://moz.com/blog/<wbr>comparative-advertsing-can-i-<wbr>talk-about-my-competitor-on-<wbr>my-website</a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">The bottom line is that there are legal ways of comparing to a competitor (is a</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">"Migrate from XXXX" mention considered as comparative advertising is another questio),</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">but you can still be sued even if you follow the rules, so it is a matter of</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">appreciating the benefit vs the risk. Funnily they recommand to explictly mention</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">that you're not affiliated with the other product owner! (I guess that's in the</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">same vein as the "Caution: Contents Hot" mention on coffee cups ;-))</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I had a quick look at <a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/" target="_blank">https://www.libreoffice.org/</a> to see if they for example</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">mentionned MS Office or Google docs. The only mention of MS Office I could find</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">is at the bottom of</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/" target="_blank">https://www.libreoffice.org/<wbr>discover/libreoffice/</a> and it is a link to an external</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">site (they do mention the compatibility with Microsft Word, Excel, *formats*,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">but that's a bit different than comparing to the products themselves).</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openoffice.org/</a> similar situation, only mention of MS formats,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">and for compraisons with MS itself, links to externals reviews from</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="http://www.openoffice.org/product/reviews.html" target="_blank">http://www.openoffice.org/<wbr>product/reviews.html</a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Sandro mentionned GIMP's "like Photoshop, only better" motto but on</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="https://www.gimp.org/" target="_blank">https://www.gimp.org/</a> no mention of Photoshop I could find</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">If you go on <a href="http://www.pitneybowes.com/us/location-intelligence/geographic-information-systems/mapinfo-pro.html" target="_blank">http://www.pitneybowes.com/us/<wbr>location-intelligence/<wbr>geographic-information-<wbr>systems/mapinfo-pro.html</a>,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">no mention of ESRI</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Same on <a href="http://www.hexagongeospatial.com/products/power-portfolio/erdas-imagine" target="_blank">http://www.hexagongeospatial.<wbr>com/products/power-portfolio/<wbr>erdas-imagine</a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Just trying to decrease the emotional level of the debate with facts ;-)</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
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