<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span>+1</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507866863208_3993"><span>Ravi</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 13 October 2017 1:02 AM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1278698948"><div>
<div>Nicolas, Jeff, OSGeo Community:<br clear="none">
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I really like and respect Jeff. He has contributed many great
things to OSGeo and touched many of us in positive ways. However,
while on the board I've seen personality clashes where Jeff has
sent passionate emails with what I consider to be an unacceptable
level of aggression and disrespect for a board member, and which I
believe has led to community members leaving or becoming
disengaged [3].<br clear="none">
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<div>Jeff appears to have ignored my question. I'm disappointed but
not surprised. I've seen Jeff to be quick to engage on topics and
people he agrees with; but ignore tough questions; in the extreme
resigning from the board. Maybe I'm being hasty, I see Jeff has
just posted his candidate manifesto as I write this and he may
explain his previous resignations soon.<br clear="none">
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<div>I've said the following about Jeff after he resigned previously
[4]:<br clear="none">
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<i> I see in you someone who has some wonderful characteristics
which you apply to OSGeo:</i><i><br clear="none">
</i><i> You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.</i><i><br clear="none">
</i><i><br clear="none">
</i><i> There are a few things that sometimes cause friction:</i><i><br clear="none">
</i><i> You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.</i><i><br clear="none">
</i><i><br clear="none">
</i><i> As with all of us, our strengths in one circumstance
become a weakness in another.</i><br clear="none">
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I love Jeff, but would hope that he provides some of our other
excellent board candidates with a chance to be on the board, and
hope that Jeff focuses on some of the other roles that he does so
well.</div>
<div>Warm regards, Cameron<br clear="none">
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<div>[3]
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<div class="yiv1278698948moz-cite-prefix">On 13/10/17 3:32 am, Rob Emanuele
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<div dir="ltr">Hi <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;">Toshikazu,
Nick,</span>
<div><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none">
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Despite the fact that I have not
been around long enough or have not been in the right
places to see directly a lot of the impact that Jeff has
had on the community, it's very clear from many accounts
that he has been an amazing and important figure in OSGeo
(a Sol Katz award speaks very clearly to this!). However I
feel remiss if I don't point out the following
observation: as a newer member to the OSGeo community in
the past couple of years, I've seen some intense and
surprising conflict happen on the mailing lists that were
centered around or included Jeff, which played out in ways
that I believe were not good for community, and were also
not healing in their conclusions.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px;">If there is a custom of only
speaking positively on someone's nomination thread, then I
apologize. I do not want to detract from praise that is
well deserved. </span></font>Is there a more appropriate
place talk through, address and hopefully dismiss reservations
about a nominee, and to also call for answers to the questions
Cameron has posted?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Rob</div>
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<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:02 AM,
Toshikazu SETO <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tosseto@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tosseto@gmail.com">tosseto@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I also
support the second nomination of Jeff McKenna.</div>
<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">He think
important to <span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-">friendship
with all OSGeo communities, because I </span></span><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-">am proud of
his philosophy.</span></span></span></span></div>
<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><br clear="none">
</span></span></span></span></div>
<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span>I
think, this thread will use comments on
nominations and should not deep discuss to
previous FOSS4G </span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span><br clear="none">
</span></span></span></span></span></span><div class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-gt-baf-cell"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-gt-baf-word-clickable">circumstance</span><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span> and
responsibility.</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span><br clear="none">
</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span>Best
regards,</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<div class="yiv1278698948gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-short_text" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-"><span class="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-" id="yiv1278698948m_-7011883412562292802gmail-result_box" lang="en"><span>Toshikazu</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv1278698948moz-cite-prefix">On 12/10/17 4:23 pm, nicolas bozon
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<div>Dear Cameron, </div>
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<div>I appreciate the time and effort you have put into framing
questions and remarks for Jeff, although that sounds rather
unusual in a Board nomination thread.</div>
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<div>As a Charter Member nominating Jeff, I thought that bygones
were bygones when we honored him with the prestigious Sol Katz
award at FOSS4G 2016. The thunderous applause from one and all
present at the Bundeshaus on August 27th 2016 still rings in my
ears. And I think none in our community would have missed the
passion that emanated from Jeff in his short acceptance speech,
but also the continued effort he has silently put in helping
the Foundation since then.</div>
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<div>Whishing all candidates a great campain and election. </div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<div>Nick </div>
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Le mercredi 11 octobre 2017, Steven Feldman <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> a
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Jeff
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<div>I agree with Cameron, I think the charter members are
entitled to an explanation as to why you resigned from the
board twice in the middle of a period of service. </div>
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<div>I, for one, would like to understand the basis on which
we can be assured that if you are elected for a third time
the pattern of resignation will not be repeated</div>
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<div>Regards<br clear="none">
<div>
<span style="border-collapse:separate;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px;">______<br clear="none">
Steven<br clear="none">
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<div>On 9 Oct 2017, at 21:42, Cameron Shorter <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>Jeff,</div>
<div>I've had a number of people correct me to note
that you have resigned twice from the board. Also
from the conference committee and FOSS4G mentoring
role as the global FOSS4G China was facing very
hard decisions based on low registration numbers.</div>
<div>References:</div>
<div>Resignation from board in 2015: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-December/008820.html">https://lists.osgeo.org/ pipermail/board/2015-December/ 008820.html</a></div>
<div>Resignation from board and conference committee
in 2012: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-February/004544.html">https://lists.osgeo.org/ pipermail/board/2012-February/ 004544.html</a></div>
<div>Stepping back from mentoring FOSS4G China: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-January/004514.html">https://lists.osgeo.org/ pipermail/board/2012-January/ 004514.html</a></div>
<div>Lessons Learned from FOSS4G China: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2012_Lessons_Learned">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/ FOSS4G_2012_Lessons_Learned</a><br clear="none">
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<div>On 9/10/17 10:01 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:<div class="yiv1278698948yqt4479234863" id="yiv1278698948yqtfd62088"><br clear="none">
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</div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="yiv1278698948yqt4479234863" id="yiv1278698948yqtfd23762">
<div>Jeff,</div></div>
<div>While I agree with others that you have been
very enthusiastic toward OSGeo ideals, I'm also
believe that there are some unanswered questions
which should be addressed.<br clear="none">
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<div>In particular, a while back you stepped down
from the OSGeo Board mid-term, while you were in
the position of OSGeo president. I don't think a
public explanation was provided, but I was aware
that there was some passionate discussion
happening in public email lists at the time.</div>
<div>If you are considering sitting on the board
again, I think an explanation should be
provided.</div>
<div>Regards, Cameron</div>
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