<div dir="ltr">Cameron,<div>i think that the concept of voting for positions is a concept borrowed from democracy where everyone, including minorities are protected.</div><div>Otherwise, people that are in our community but have less "voluntary free time" may see their rights (or vision) simply not considered because do-ocracy do not have to ask for agreement, it just do it without asking consensum.</div><div><br></div><div>When a community grow, in numbers and complexity, I think that such aspects need to be considered to avoid takeover and guarantee representatives.</div><div>Hierarchies guarantee to proceed quickly delegating someone to take care of their vision. Openness allows anyone to participate in the democratic process.</div><div>In fact, also in project governance, we strive for a PSC or governing bodies to decide strategic directions and if accept contributions...</div><div><br></div><div>My 2 cents,<br></div><div>Maxi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-16 13:39 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Helmut,</p>
<p>Your question is good, and I only have a partial answer which
extends on Jody's response.<br>
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<p>I feel that while people are comfortable to openly disagree on
technical concepts they feel very uncomfortable speaking ill of
others on a personal level.<br>
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<p>Organically grown Open Source communities naturally form a
hierarchy around principles of Meritocracy and Do-ocracy. There is
not need for voting for positions, people naturally assume a role
based on what they are doing. Open Source communities are
successful if they master collaboration.</p>
<p>The concept of voting for positions, as we do in elections, is a
concept borrowed from command-and-control hierarchies, and I feel
doesn't fit well with our Open Source ethos. I could expand, but I
think I've written more than my quota on this email list for the
moment.<br>
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<p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
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<div>I think Cameron described the reasoning, not wanting to
disrupt relationships. <span>Cameron is probably in an
awkward position, as if often the case when people reach out
privately, where he stuck determining if people are asking
him to speak for them or they simply want someone to listen.</span></div>
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<div>OSGeo is an open and friendly community and we strive to
have our communication and decision making in a transparent
manner (the same standards we hold our project steering
committees to during incubation).</div>
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<div>Nevertheless w<span>e have a number of private channels of
communication in our organization, for example during
charter member nominations there was an opportunity to
contact the CRO privately if anyone was troubled by a
nomination. During incubation we make a mentor available for
private communication, as often there are legal questions to
discuss. The projects have a private list for security
vulnerabilities. The board also has a private email list
which is useful for negotiating partner relationships.</span></div>
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<div>With respect to the board elections <span>I really
appreciate Gert-Jan's approach of asking candidates
questions, it was illuminating, explored some important
issues and gave everyone a chance to respond. </span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 14 October 2017 at 15:14, Helmut
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Cameron
Shorter:<br>
>I've had a number of people reach out to me privately,
related to the<br>
>upcoming OSGeo Board elections.<br>
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Cameron, any idea why a number of people aren't
articulating/communicating by themselves here on<br>
the OSGeo discuss ML related to the upcoming OSGeo Board
elections?<br>
<br>
OSGeo, as I understand it, is an open and friendly community
and every discussion input is welcome.<br>
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kind regards<br>
Helmut<br>
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