<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thanks Arnulf <div><br></div><div>So so right<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Steven<div>07958 924 101</div></div><div><br>On 16 Oct 2017, at 18:44, Seven (aka Arnulf) <<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us">seven@arnulf.us</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <p>Folks, <br>
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    if we want to compete then we have to play the game. Party is great
    but the money is not in the party and fun part. The money sits in
    large corps and governments. Folks coming from there are not
    expected to party or hang out and have fun. They are expected to see
    the bleeding edge technology first hand, learn about the reliability
    of Open Source and Free Software licensing and learn about the
    leading businesses in that domain. Companies who choose to support
    FOSS4G with their sponsorship and come to the global big business
    FOSS4G industry event. Honor them. Honor those who organize those
    events. Consider paying them professional rates instead of burning
    them out and then complain that they have left. <br>
    <p>(Maybe to the disagreement of some) these kind of events function
      by making things shine and excel. This includes a great venue,
      great catering, inviting great paid speakers and award great
      awards at a great gala dinner. Yawn. How I hate those events! Plus
      they are costly! Plus I have to wear my (cat)suit! Yuck! But this
      is also why I always have worn a suit when it was required
      (especially on Star Trek Voyager). No, I do not consider myself a
      suit. But I wear one when it is required. There are aspects of
      Free Software and Open Source where a suit is a door opener.
      Condemn it, door closes. <br>
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    <p>The good thing is, we do not have to stop anything. We can and we
      already are doing both. We have great local events and code
      sprints and fun and party and all. Plus we have a one time per
      year event that is expensive and attracts the money. Where is the
      problem? Don't like it? Then don't go. Cannot afford it? Then
      promote it so that those who can afford it go (and indirectly pay
      your pizza during the fun events). How cool is that? <br>
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    <p>Honestly, FOSS4G "global" should stay (or become even more of) an
      industry event. What do you think where the (admittedly tiny)
      OSGeo budget comes from? It is the surplus generated by well
      organized, efficient and shiny (plus fun) FOSS4Gs. This money is
      used to support the pizza and coffee for local code sprints. Why
      on earth would anybody in his or her right mind jeopardize or even
      criticize an event that helps fund everything else we do? <br>
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    <p>Cheers,<br>
      Seven<br>
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    (Founder, Charter Member, ex Director, President Emeritus of OSGeo
    and grumpy old ex Borg drone) <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 16.10.2017 um 18:55 schrieb Jody
      Garnett:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I would like a chance to listen to everyone and
        avoid creating spits in our community, some of the most critical
        feedback received about foss4g affordability has been by
        companies. Our strength in part comes from bridging divides, a
        foss4g for business would not be a foss4g.
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        <div>Ravi can I ask if you would like to have a "hangout" or
          "party" event?</div>
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          <div>I was surprised to encounter the viewpoint that foss4g it
            is considered an OSGeo party. While we have lots to
            celebrate, I view foss4g as a time when we can best meet our
            outreach goals. I tend to view this as a responsibility -
            the local organizing committee has specific brought us in to
            knock-the-socks off the local geospatial community and show
            them how amazing open source can be!</div>
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          <div>As a personal goal I am trying to be more relaxed about
            viewing OSGeo as a party, our community members are amazing
            should be celebrated and celebrating. It is one thing I
            really appreciated about the slower pace of this years
            foss4g-europe event, think it was the first time I got to
            see Andrea Amine slow down enough to talk to.</div>
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          <div>Thanks again for bringing interesting questions to this
            years elections.</div>
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                  <div>--</div>
                  <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 15 October 2017 at 23:59, Ravi Kumar
          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manarajahmundry2015@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">manarajahmundry2015@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                            <div>Hi List,<br>
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                            happy to note that 'FOSS4G being
                            Costly/Unaffordable', is discussed.<br>
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                          To make it fun, spice is added on the TERM
                          HANGOUT.. <br>
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                        May be the next board will have FOSS4G for
                        Business, where in 5* comforts that might make
                        business easy for OSGeo.<br>
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                      Will also have, 'FOSS4G Developers', where in
                      young students/Reserchers can have a great
                      conference.<br>
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                     Some fine tuning may make, Say , 1st 2 days 5
                    Star.. Next two affordable.<br>
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                  But in a world where, 'COST some times means
                  Efficiency', may not, 'play ball', with this Idea.<br>
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                Cheers.. and All the best to the Hopefuls<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Ravi Kumar<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:19
                    AM, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Okay I checked that the report is
                        not published yet (sigh). I really appreciated
                        Jeff's answer, and agree that regional foss4g
                        events are seeing great success and are much
                        more affordable.
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                            <div>To answer your question:</div>
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                                <div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><i>'Do
                                      you agree that FOSS4G is turning
                                      out to be a hangout for those who
                                      can afford it'</i>.. </span></div>
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                              <div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">I
                                  have never agreed that FOSS4G is a
                                  hangout - I continue to view it as our
                                  most effective outreach event.</span></div>
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                                <div><i><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">costs
                                      (of participation) are  </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">so high that many might not
                                      afford.. </span></i><br>
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                              <div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">I
                                  very much agree with this, indeed I
                                  was only able to attend the Lausanne
                                  event by the kindness of people
                                  letting me sleep on their hotel floor.
                                  I have tried to return the favour each
                                  time the event took place in my home
                                  city.</span></div>
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                              <div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><i>If
                                    selected to the board HOW do you
                                    wish to correct this...</i></span><br>
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                              <div>This is a tricky one, in part because
                                I do not have to imagine - here is my
                                own recommendation from the <a href="mailto:board@osgeo.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board@osgeo.org</a>
                                email list thread: <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2017-August/010526.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">f2f
                                  meeting follow up</a>:</div>
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                                <div>On 21 August 2017 at 11:23, Jody
                                  Garnett <jody.garnett at <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</div>
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                                    <div><i>I saw this thread get into
                                        the details of the RFP - for
                                        that we have</i></div>
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                              <div><i>volunteers on the conference
                                  committee. My goal as a board member
                                  is to</i></div>
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                              <div><i>work on strategy, as the
                                  conference committee knows best about
                                  the RFP</i></div>
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                              <div><i>wording and process.</i></div>
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                              <div><i>*Q: *Based on the affordability
                                  report, and resulting discussion, did
                                  we as </i><i>the board have any
                                  direction to ask the conference
                                  committee to steer in?</i></div>
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                              <div><i>My own feedback:</i></div>
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                                    <div><i>1) I was pleasantly
                                        surprised that the ticket cost
                                        of foss4g has not </i><i>changed
                                        significantly over the course of
                                        the events (indeed our most </i><i>expensive
                                        event was Sydney and our
                                        cheapest Korea).</i></div>
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                                <div><i>I do not see any guidance to
                                    provide here (this was surprising to
                                    me).</i></div>
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                                <div><i>2) Attendance continues to
                                    increase limiting appropriate venues</i></div>
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                                <div><i>I do not see any guidence to
                                    provide here, our community and
                                    event is </i><i>growing. I think
                                    once we get around 3000 people we
                                    may be forced to settle </i><i>down
                                    to consider a fixed location, but at
                                    1000-2000 we can still move it </i><i>around.</i></div>
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                                <div><i>3) regional events are killing
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                                <div><i>I do not see any guidence to
                                    provide here, our community and
                                    events is </i><i>growing. </i><i>The
                                    hope is this takes some of the
                                    strain from the global event,
                                    allowing </i><i>it to focus on
                                    outreach and advocacy more.</i></div>
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                                <div><i>4) hard for students to attend
                                    (also journal, etc...)</i></div>
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                                <div><i>There was a strong hope that
                                    travel grant program could help out
                                    a lot </i><i>here, that would make
                                    me sad as this was intended to work
                                    towards </i><i>diversity.</i></div>
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                                <div><i>While there may be guidance here
                                    I am not close enough to the
                                    academic </i><i>world to provide
                                    useful direction.</i></div>
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                                <div><i>5) diversity</i></div>
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                                <div><i>The original intention of the
                                    travel grant was to bring diversity
                                    awareness </i><i>to our osgeo events
                                    (to apply regional events are asked
                                    to set a diversity </i><i>target
                                    which travel grant can help
                                    towards). During foss4g I attended
                                    a </i><i>diversity presentation that
                                    advocated creating a safe space.</i></div>
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                                <div><i>*Guidance: *Trial the use of
                                    providing a safe space in the 2018
                                    bid.</i></div>
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                                <div><i>Similar recommendations online
                                    include:</i></div>
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                                <div><i>- make female speakers a
                                    priority (not just in selection, but
                                    before hand</i></div>
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                                <div><i>in promotion, one-on-one
                                    mentoring etc...).</i></div>
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                                <div><i>- providing child care (this
                                    helps families attend)</i></div>
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                                <div><i>Since these haver not been
                                    advocated by members of our
                                    community I am only </i><i>comfortable
                                    providing guidance on providing a
                                    safe space. Perhaps some of </i><i>these
                                    ideas can be tried out at regional
                                    conferences first.</i></div>
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                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                                <div><i>6) time of year</i></div>
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                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div><i>The events have moved from
                                    September/October to August placing
                                    it in the </i><i>way of European
                                    holidays. With the bulk of our
                                    contributors in Europe this </i><i>has
                                    affected how many of our
                                    contributors can attend.</i></div>
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                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i>*Guidance: *Request September /
                                    October event (to maximize
                                    contributors who </i><i>can attend).</i></div>
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                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div><i>I understand next years event
                                    has plans to turn this into a
                                    holiday for </i><i>families which is
                                    a cunning plan.</i></div>
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                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div><i>7) travel / accommodation</i></div>
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                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i>I would like to avoid prime
                                    tourist season to avoid asking
                                    attendees pay </i><i>high airfair
                                    and accommodation costs. We did not
                                    have the number in the </i><i>affordability
                                    report to back this up (but Michael
                                    Smith was going to look </i><i>things
                                    up).</i></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i>*Guidance: *Request September /
                                    October event (to avoid peak
                                    tourist </i><i>season).</i></div>
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                              <div><br>
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                            </div>
                            <div>Followed by:</div>
                            <div><br>
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                                <div><i>> 5) diversity</i></div>
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                                <div><br>
                                </div>
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                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i>On reflection I am a bit
                                    uncomfortable offering guidance here
                                    - lacking the </i><i>needed
                                    perspective. I would ask that the
                                    conference committee consider </i><i>diversity
                                    as a selection criteria, but would
                                    hold off on providing specific </i><i>advice
                                    listed above. I recognize that the
                                    board as a whole is a diverse </i><i>body
                                    and may be in position to offer
                                    guidance.</i></div>
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                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i>I just don't think it is my
                                    place either as a board member (need
                                    to trust </i><i>the marketing
                                    committee) or as a white male (can
                                    offer only concern, not </i><i>perspective).</i></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div><i><br>
                                  </i></div>
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                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div><i>Aside: This whole discussion has
                                    increased my respect for the
                                    conference </i><i>committee, this is
                                    tough stuff. I thank those who
                                    contribute positively as </i><i>part
                                    of the conference committee.</i></div>
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                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>The thing to note is that as a board
                              member we can offer guidance, or in
                              extreme cases provide a mandate to a group
                              that wishes to act. I you asked me "<i style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">HOW
                                do you wish to correct this" </i><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"> the
                                answer would be to join the conference
                                committe and help out, an ability each
                                of us has as a volunteer.</span></div>
                            <div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br>
                              </span></div>
                            <div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">The
                                conference committee has my trust, and
                                as I understand they are deeply aware
                                and concerned about this issue.</span></div>
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                                      <div>--</div>
                                      <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On 15 October
                                  2017 at 16:56, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                    <div>We actually have solid numbers
                                      for this, a report was provided at
                                      the Boston meeting that kind of
                                      answers this to my satisfaction. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      I was waiting for it to be shared
                                      with the membership, since your
                                      question was one I have been asked
                                      repeatedly over the last six
                                      months, especially at foss4ge.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div dir="auto">I would really
                                        like you to be able to read the
                                        report and reach your own
                                        conclusion. </div>
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                                            <div>On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at
                                              4:45 PM Ravi Kumar <<a href="mailto:manarajahmundry2015@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">manarajahmundry2015@gmail.com</a><wbr>>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                  Question  (would be
                                                  Board).  'Do you agree
                                                  that FOSS4G is turning
                                                  out to be a hangout
                                                  for those who can
                                                  afford it'.. costs (of
                                                  participation) are <br>
                                                  so high that many
                                                  might not afford.. If
                                                  selected to the board
                                                  HOW do you wish to
                                                  correct this..<br>
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                                                Ravi Kumar<br>
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