<div dir="ltr"><div><div>"the fees are certainly not for normal people from most of the world".. This is balm to all those who consider themselves sidelined.<br></div>Much of the world needs Open Source and Open and Free GIS for Transparent administration among a multitude of reasons. May be it is time for a course correction.<br></div>Ravi<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Jachym Cepicky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Guys,<div><br></div><div>the fees are certainly not for normal people from most of the world. Not talking about travel costs.<br><br>But, as active member of the community, you can get considerable discount (giving workshops, volunteer at sessions, ...).<br><br></div><div>With FOSS4G-Europe, we aim to bring "little FOSS4G" to more people. And it seems to be working.</div><div><br></div><div>Just 0.02</div><div><br></div><div>J</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">čt 19. 10. 2017 v 8:44 odesílatel Till Adams <<a href="mailto:till.adams@fossgis.de" target="_blank">till.adams@fossgis.de</a>> napsal:<br></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dear list,</p>
<p>I can invite everybody, to follow the RfP process for FOSS4G 2019
[1] - including the questions to the teams. This will show, that
we as CC have the cost factor always in mind. When discussing
about prices, please take into account, that conference fee
normally is 1/3 - 1/5 of the total costs you have when visiting a
FOSS4G.</p>
<p>Also I'd like to invite everybody to make even small donations to
the travel grant programme. We will announce, when the TGP for
2018 is setup.</p>
<p>Cheers, Till<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM,
Bruce Bannerman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.<wbr>com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">When you
look at the costs associated with a person attending a
typical international FOSS4G event, the actual conference
fees a small amount of the actual cost.<br>
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Consider airfares, transportation, accomodation, meals,
lost wages etc. There is nothing that an LOC can do about
these individual costs.<br>
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<div>Ah hem, nothing that the LOC can do once the conference
site is chosen, but something that OSGeo can do when
assigning the location and timing.</div>
<div>And I believe that is happening, if I'm not wrong for
the first time the LOC needs to provide expected cost of
airfare and accommodation as part</div>
<div>of their proposal, which will make people consider
carefully that aspect too. </div>
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<div>Another aspect that was not cited but that I heard in
conversations and believe is important, it's that it is
really hard to compress</div>
<div>the cost of a large conference: the LOC needs a place
that can host 1000 people, and that can give internet to
this many people,</div>
<div>that places forces the catering package on you (I've
been told by several conference chairs there no way to
dodge that) and the </div>
<div>two together make up for a large amount of the cost.</div>
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<div>So, besides some exceptions (think FOSDEM) it seems the
only way to setup a cheaper conference is to make a
smaller</div>
<div>one that can be hosted at a university or in a smaller
conference center. Hence the focus on the local
conferences.</div>
<div>I believe the threshold is at around 500 people, larger
than that one is hung on the costly options.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Andrea</div>
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