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    Folks, <br>
    we have seriously discussed this over and again to the point of
    boredom. Still, I am happy that the topic comes up again and again
    because it shows that people are alert. Good. <br>
    <br>
    Having said that, we need to be as precise as possible in our terms
    and definitions. Every now and then this blurs over. <br>
    <br>
    Therefore allow me to give a quick primer: When we say "Open Source"
    and "Free Software" we basically mean the same thing: Software that
    is licensed under one of the 40+ officially respected licenses
    ranging from the GNU GPL over BSD and MIT to the WTFPL. <br>
    <br>
    Please refrain from using the term "Open Software" because it is
    imprecise and only good to confuse people. Do not say "closed
    Software" either because it may imply that it is more secure (like
    "locked" and "safe"). Most evilly wrong: Never say "Commercial
    Software" because it connotes that we cannot do business with Open
    Source and that commercial enterprises cannot use it to make money
    which is both wrong and hurts commercial development of Open Source
    businesses. The opposite to Free and Open Source Software Licenses
    are proprietary licenses (and believe me, proprietary vendors hate
    this term). <br>
    <br>
    We should not make the impression that there is no business to be
    done with Open Source software. People have to understand that we do
    not charge fees for licenses and give the software away for free -
    but that we do charge fees for developing and maintaining it, when
    we actually "do" something. This can be maintenance, development,
    training, SLA-contracts, implementing the newest standard or
    whatever else may come up, you know how 95% of IT-revenue is done.
    Only a fraction of 5% really come from proprietary licenses, not
    more! <br>
    <br>
    Next: When we say "Open Source" and "Free Software" we also often
    "mean" a lot of additional things. One very dear to OSGeo is
    "community based" and "good governance". But this is not necessarily
    part of the license! It is only our interpretation of how Open
    Source should be done (and I totally believe in it). <br>
    <br>
    We should also be clear that anybody can use and support Free and
    Open Source Software for any purpose. This explicitly includes Esri
    and Oracle and Microsoft and all the other proprietary vendors. And
    why not? <br>
    <br>
    How do we deal with them at a conference? Like any other business.
    If they like we even invite them to a plenary talk, get a versed
    speaker from our trenches and let him or her publicly dissect all
    their proprietary arguments. This gives Open Source a much better
    voice than to just to ban them. They know we are so good at doing
    this that you will even have a hard time getting anyone on a plenary
    at all.<br>
    <br>
    We have also publicly invited proprietary brethren to participate in
    performance shoot-outs and the result was invariable showing how
    good we are. This is much cooler and shows much more self-efficacy
    than denying entry to anybody. <br>
    <br>
    Autodesk has tried to go Open Source and they basically failed. But
    they funded the fledgling OSGeo Foundation and now look at where we
    are. <br>
    <br>
    It appears that we are still not done educating folks who are still
    stuck on proprietary stacks. <br>
    <br>
    Lastly, how do we prevent an evil proprietary vendor from luring our
    conference attendees into believing that proprietary software is
    better than Open Source? Well, let them give a talk and if they say
    anything stupid or even wrong about Open Source they will be ripped
    to little pieces by the audience, believe me. <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Thanks for listening. <br>
    <br>
    Seven<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.02.2018 um 17:03 schrieb Hogan,
      Patrick (ARC-PX):<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sergio,<o:p></o:p></span></font></a></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
              for one am delighted to hear your well expressed concern.
              In point of fact, ESRI certainly has no real interest in
              open source. They are there to make as much money as
              possible and don’t mind playing rough to get it. That is
              not to suggest we cannot find ways to live and even work
              together. Though like you said and said well “This
              approach should make OSGeo more alert.” On another but
              related issue, I am still curious as to where ESRI and the
              OS community are on LiDAR format and compression as ^one^
              open standard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  Discuss [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b><span
                      style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
                    </span></b>SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA<br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                  Monday, February 26, 2018 7:03 AM<br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> María
                  Arias de Reyna; André Cruvinel Resende<br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> OSGeo
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                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                  Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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        <p><font color="black" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stefano,
              certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have
              expressed my concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto
              were sponsoring an organic food event. I don't think
              ESRI (or Google or IBM or others) approaches OSGeo
              innocently. This approach should make OSGeo more alert.
              And distrust their intentions. I remember that some years
              ago ESRI did not let gvSIG people even assist an ESRI
              conference. And now what has changed? That the
              FOSS4G movement is now "cool". So it makes these companies
              present themselves as OS ("we support the OS movement, we
              even sponsor their events", even "we are OS") and it is
              easier for them to enter certain places (later it is more
              difficult for them to leave). Maybe these companies should
              be asked something more than money in exchange for
              sponsoring the FOSS4G. And see how far they can get with
              that support to the FOSS4G movement...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  André Cruvinel Resende<br>
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                  Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship</span></font><font
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                                color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                                share your fears. But on the other hand,
                                the list of sponsors is not closed for
                                this year, I know for sure there are
                                open source companies that are still
                                pending to be shown there. GeoCat for
                                example, being a small SME in
                                comparison, will do the yearly effort to
                                be a key sponsor proving that open
                                source companies support FOSS4G events.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                            color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">You
                              know (because I have been tiring on this
                              subject) that I am completely against
                              openwashing. And I will not be comfortable
                              (and protest) if FOSS4G is used as a
                              platform to promote closed source
                              software. If I see a track full of selling
                              closed architectures and software or some
                              keynote talking about the greatness of
                              closed software, I will be angry. But
                              until now, we have had closed source
                              companies sponsoring OSGeo and the "worst"
                              thing we have had is some talk with a lot
                              of openwashing that made us laugh. No big
                              harm, but useful to reopen the debate and
                              refresh terms.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                          color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Look
                            at it like this: If a closed source software
                            company (and I won't say ESRI here, because
                            we have more examples, don't focus only on
                            one) wants to sponsor an FLOSS conference...
                            look at it as a small fee for all the work
                            they are reusing from our open side. Is it
                            the only budget they spend on open source?
                            Is it because they want to get close to the
                            community and keep in touch with the state
                            of the art software in the industry? Great!
                            If anything, I would be more worried if they
                            had no interest in FLOSS. This means we are
                            an important piece of the industry and they
                            want to be involved, either to -steal-
                            research about our way of working, our ideas
                            or whatever we have.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                        color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Big
                          companies with closed software history can't
                          change from one day to another. Can you
                          imagine Microsoft announcing Windows is going
                          to be FLOSS? Would be insane and dangerous (if
                          a code is going to be FLOSS, it should be
                          FLOSS from the beginning to avoid big security
                          holes in the open that come inherently on
                          closed software). Let them get closer and,
                          maybe in the future, they will become real
                          FLOSS advocators.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                      color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">While
                        they "only" sponsor and maybe promote the
                        ¿little? job they do on FLOSS, I am fine. If
                        they want to cross that line and start a
                        conversation about how great closed software is,
                        then we will have to stop them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#212121" size="3"
                    face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#212121" size="3"
                  face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">María.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#212121"
                              size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                        color="#212121" size="3"
                                        face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                          color="#212121" size="3"
                                          face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">On
                                            Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:49
                                            AM, André Cruvinel Resende
                                            <<a
                                              href="mailto:andrecr@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">andrecr@gmail.com</a>>
                                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">We
                                                have had this fear in
                                                the past.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">I
                                                remember when Autodesk
                                                decided to open Mapguide
                                                and some of us were
                                                furious and upset and
                                                worried about our
                                                community's influence
                                                and decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">It
                                                seems that in the end It
                                                was not that important
                                                and It does not kill
                                                Mapserver. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Good
                                                and open week. (And mind
                                                too)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="#212121" size="3"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="white" size="5"
                                              face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:#4285F4"><a
href="https://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html" target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html</a>.
                                              </span></font><font
                                              color="#212121"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="white" size="5"
                                              face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:#4285F4"><br>
                                                <br>
                                              </span></font><font
                                              color="#888888"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                              color="white" size="5"
                                              face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:#4285F4">André
                                                Cruvinel.</span></font><font
                                              color="#888888"
                                              face="Calibri"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                  color="white" size="5"
                                                  face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:#4285F4"><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </span></font><font
                                                  color="#212121"
                                                  face="Calibri"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                    color="#212121"
                                                    size="3"
                                                    face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Em
                                                      25 de fev de 2018
                                                      7:11 PM, "Jody
                                                      Garnett" <<a
                                                        href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                    color="#212121"
                                                    size="3"
                                                    face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">I
                                                      do not think of it
                                                      as just an emotive
                                                      response - some
                                                      business models do
                                                      not match our
                                                      ideals as an
                                                      organization
                                                      (requirement to
                                                      purchase a
                                                      platform
                                                      subscription for
                                                      services, or an
                                                      API key for data
                                                      use). While some
                                                      organizations
                                                      match our ideals,
                                                      but I do not like
                                                      the ethics
                                                      (dumping software
                                                      to opensource as
                                                      part of an exit
                                                      strategy).
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Both these
                                                      approaches use
                                                      open source as a
                                                      tool, but to
                                                      enable behaviour
                                                      that is not
                                                      necessarily
                                                      collaborative. The
                                                      free-and-open end
                                                      of the open source
                                                      pool is working on
                                                      this, but it is a
                                                      big pool and we
                                                      want to help
                                                      everyone.
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I see our role as
                                                      changing the the
                                                      playing field over
                                                      time so that these
                                                      business models do
                                                      perform as well as
                                                      the ones that
                                                      embrace,
                                                      contribute to and
                                                      leverage open
                                                      source.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><font
color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">On
                                                          Sun, Feb 25,
                                                          2018 at 1:59
                                                          PM <<a
                                                          href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bradh@frogmouth.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                    6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU">Indeed GDAL/OGR uses
                                                          some ESRI
                                                          code, example:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU"><a
href="https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/blob/a1df7cb9df2fe3cbcfac974b434b01ac6a1946e5/gdal/frmts/mrf/JPEG_band.cpp#L21"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/blob/a1df7cb9df2fe3cbcfac974b434b01ac6a1946e5/gdal/frmts/mrf/JPEG_band.cpp#L21</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU">If you don’t want
                                                          anyone with
                                                          competing
                                                          products,
                                                          it’ll be a
                                                          short list,
                                                          and somewhat
                                                          difficult to
                                                          justify (e.g.
                                                          OSGeo has lots
                                                          of software
                                                          that is mostly
                                                          developed and
                                                          tested against
                                                          Oracle’s Java,
                                                          but Oracle
                                                          Spatial is an
                                                          alternative to
                                                          PostGIS). If
                                                          you don’t want
                                                          anyone who
                                                          does patents,
                                                          it’ll exclude
                                                          most of the
                                                          big IT
                                                          companies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU">Is this just an
                                                          emotive
                                                          response?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU">Brad<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
                                                          color="#212121"
                                                          size="3"
                                                          face="Times
                                                          New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121" lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                        color="#212121"
                                                        size="3"
                                                        face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">_______________________________________________
                                                          <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><font
color="#212121" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><br>
                                                          Discuss
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                    color="#888888"
                                                    size="3"
                                                    face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888">--
                                                      <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                        color="#888888"
                                                        size="3"
                                                        face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888">--
                                                          <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><font
color="#888888" size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888">Jody
                                                          Garnett<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                    color="#212121"
                                                    size="3"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                      Discuss mailing
                                                      list<br>
                                                      <a
                                                        href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                                      <a
                                                        href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                                  color="#212121"
                                                  size="3"
                                                  face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font
                                          color="#212121" size="3"
                                          face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                            Discuss mailing list<br>
                                            <a
                                              href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                            <a
                                              href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font
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