<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">This would be good - learning from the Dar FOSS4G experience would be a good starting place for this. Unfortunately,y not many people believe that the laws and codes of conduct we create need to be refreshed and amended to keep in pace with our community.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 Jun 2018, at 18:18, María Arias de Reyna <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com" class="">delawen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">That's exactly what I'm trying to do. </div><br class=""></div><div class="">Massive +1</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:17, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><p class="">(Changed title to reflect this conversation is about
Code-of-Conduct improvements).</p><p class="">Maria,</p><p class="">I'm going to float a "wish-ware" idea here. Wishware is where
someone wishes for a piece of software (or CoC in this case) and
some magic geek-fairies go and write it for them because the idea
is so good that others are attracted to make it happen.</p><p class="">I wish that instead of every foundation and project writing their
own CoC, everyone bands together and creates a "Code-of-Conduct
Foundation" which takes responsibility for creating a set of
standard Code of Conducts, which are maintained by everyone.
Something like the Creative Commons licenses for data, or the Open
Source licenses defined by OSI.</p><p class="">Then we don't need to spend huge amounts of time debating words
within our CoC, all we do is decide if we go with
CoC-Virtual-Forums or CoC-Face-Conferences, or CoC-Short-Version,
or .... (whatever they end up being called).</p><p class="">This would require one person initially, growing into a team of
people, who would draw together the various authors of
Codes-of-Conduct, and attract a commitment from a few projects to
use the new Code-of-Conduct.</p><p class="">Maybe this might be your calling? It would be a huge amount of
effort, but would also be hugely valuable and an excellent gift to
humanity.<br class="">
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Maria, re the Code-of-Conduct, I agree with Christian.
Rewriting it to create rules which consider all future
opportunities for human conflict is utopian, impractical
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<div dir="auto" class="">I agree with that. But a static CoC is also
impractical, considering that in the last years CoCs have
advanced a lot and now we know what works better on each kind
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<div dir="auto" class="">What I propose is to evolve, not to throw all
the work already done. As I already said on previous mails,
the work done was outstanding for the time it was written.
Which may seem very recently but considering how much we have
advanced, is already old. </div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""> There have been a
huge number of person-hours which have been put into the
numerous Code-Of-Conducts which our OSGeo
Code-Of-Conduct was based upon. I think we keep our
Code-of-Conduct as simple as possible, and rely on our
underlying morals, ethics, and collective intelligence
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<div dir="auto" class="">My plan is not to complicate it, but to make it
stronger. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Let me give you one simple example of something
that doesn't make sense right now:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">We cannot say dirty words, but we can harass
someone using beautiful words as long as we claim good intent.
That doesn't make sense. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">So, precisely one of the things you quote above
as what we should do is one of the things that are wrong. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">This article can explain the situation better
than me: <a href="https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/</a></div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">This would be the easiest thing to propose to
change because once you understand it, it becomes obvious. But
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Cameron Shorter
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