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<p>Hi Peter,</p>
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<p>good point! And fair enough for your example on SQL which is an
open standard and thus reproducible in theory and practice. My
Point is more general, although it may not be 100% thought through
yet, so comments are welcome. My argumetation on this is as
follows:</p>
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<p>Scientific publications that deal for example with a GIS analysis
on a specific topic, should be published in a way, that any reader
of that study can practically reproduce its analysis and its
results.</p>
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<p>From my point of view, for > 90% of publications in the GIS
domain, this is not the case yet, either caused by constraints in
data availability or software availability, or mostly by just the
lack of precise documentation and citation of the data sources and
the conduct of the processing workflow of the study. Hardware
constraints are also a thing, but I think this should not be the
concern of the scientist, to ensure his/her research is open and
transparent and in practice and theory reproducible. <br>
</p>
<p>Software wise, it would be from my point of view plain
unscientific, if the results in the publication are produced with
a proprietary ("point and click" without detailed documentation of
processing steps taken) software, and additionally are not
reproducible without a license of that software. Thus I would
demand, to be able to label something Open Science or reproducible
Science, access to the software (or at least precise definitions
of how it is implemented, for example the source code) for
reproducing the results must be a given. For example a script
executing all the commands for the analysis workflow conducted,
would do this precisely. If the script uses closed software, this
would be less open compared to a script that uses open software. <br>
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<p>But in the end I am sure, that these kinds of reproducible
research publications, will end up using open source or at least
open access (free for scientific use) software, because it will
just generate more impact, if also Scientists with less access to
expensive software can also built upon this research results and
cite it accordingly...</p>
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</p>
<p>Think also about the positive feedback from science funding for
development of open software instead of paying for licenses,
researchers would pay programmers or companies that offer
according programming solutions to develop software for their
scientific needs and interests. The aspect that this open approach
adheres also better to the understanding of how science works or
should work in general, is also an important point.<br>
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<p>Best regards,<br>
Christian<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.07.2018 um 09:57 schrieb Peter
Baumann:<br>
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<p>Hi Christian,</p>
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<p>while I could not agree more to what you say there is one point
to disagree with:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.07.2018 18:43, Christian
Willmes wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear Suchith,<br>
<br>
I understand your point, and I also support your views on
this, but this is from my perspective a too
personal/particular issue, as to have it as an "OSGeo open
letter". Also, because this is more of an ICA and not so much
an OSGeo issue, I think. <br>
<br>
First, I would keep it more general. You address a particular
issue (UN SDG book published by esri), and also some personal
background (this should not matter to the addressed subject).
I would recommend you keep it from being personal and
denouncing proprietary GIS vendors. If a company plays by the
rules of science, there is nothing wrong about that company
publishing a scientific book. I.e. almost all book publishers
are commercial companies with interests somehow and somewhere.<br>
<br>
You need to “attack” scientific “wrong doing” by that
particular company in conducting the editing and publication
of that book. Publishing books if done correctly is not wrong,
even by a vendor with vested interests. But if you witness,
for example, that submissions using open source GIS solutions
are disadvantaged against the submissions using products of
the proprietary GIS vendor publishing the book, that would be
the point to raise and attack.<br>
<br>
Second, better write about how it should be done to avoid this
negative “Fake Science” things from happening. Here the idea
of Open Science and Reproducible Science is key, i.e. the most
openness and transparency possible. We just need more
transparency in science and also in the whole process of
editing/reviewing and publishing a book. And this is where
OSGeo can contribute. Basically, real reproducible and open
science is not possible without open source software. If you
can’t see how something is implemented, you can not really
reproduce the results.<br>
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<br>
No. Open science and open source software are fundamentally
different things. For example, if you derive stats from some data
set via SQL it does not matter whether it comes from open-source
PostgreSQL or from proprietary Oracle. Because the SQL language in
its syntax and semantics is standardized, and it is assured
thereby that both systems will deliver the same results. So
standards actually are a prerequisite for science to be
comparable, but surely not open source.<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
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<p> <br>
Third, if you accuse someone of “Fake Science” please make
sure to offer evidence about this particular misconduct. If
you fail to do so, you are creating “fake news” yourself.
Sorry, no offense at you personally, but I think its not a
good idea to publish this letter in OSGeo's or GeoForAll's
name. At least not with these accusations or even notion of
"Fake Science" in it.<br>
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<p>To be clear, I share your view that it is bad, if esri would
publish a book written by scientists in the context of a
United Nations initiative to maybe only advertise its own
product, but until any misconduct is proven, you can't accuse
esri or ICA of "Fake Science".</p>
<p><br>
Best regards,<br>
Christian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.07.2018 um 11:53 schrieb
Suchith Anand:<br>
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that</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations.</span></p>
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fundamental duty of all Officers of Scientific
Associations/Organisations</span><span style="color:
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Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
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take steps to </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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protect independent peer review frameworks</span></span><span
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Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations. I am
hopeful and confident that that they all will do this
for the future.</span><br>
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correctly. I want us to look at the future not focus on
mistakes made in past . Some mistakes have been made and
I understand that this is corrected. We are all human ,
so we all make mistakes</span><span style="color: rgb(0,
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sans-serif;">. So let us not focus on past mistakes but
look at ideas on how we can strengthen the independent
peer review frameworks</span><span style="color: rgb(0,
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sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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Associations in the future.</span></p>
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International Cartographic Association (ICA) is my
organisation for which</span><span style="color: rgb(0,
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sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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sans-serif;">I have volunteered for the last 15 years
and continuing . I have great respect for everyone in
this great global community . The SDG book is a
community effort (not any individual’s book project) . I
have requested from the start (as soon as I came to
know) for openness and transparency in decision making
for selecting the publisher. esp. as this book is on UN
SDG . I understand that ICA has now corrected the
mistake . Everyone makes mistakes and it takes courage
to acknowledge and correct the mistakes .Compassion and
forgiveness are important values .</span><span
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very grateful that ICA has listened to my concerns and
rectified this . So I don’t have any issues with ICA or
any colleagues in ICA. We might have difference in
opinions on some issues and having free and open
discussions is in my humble opinion the best way to
learn each others perspectives and find best solutions
to move forward.</span></p>
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holidays ( with no internet ) in first week of August,
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Open Letter on the importance to protecting
independent peer review frameworks</span><span
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
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publications (edited books, journals etc) from
scientific associations</span><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">/</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">organisations has</span></span><span
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and reputation because of strong independent peer review
frameworks </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">. We are very fortunate in the Geospatial
domain to have many reputed Scientific Associations and
organisations (ICA, IGU, ISPRS, IEEE-GRSS, IAG etc) who
have over many decades provided strong leadership in
advancement of geo science.</span></p>
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"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">In times of
fake news, science is usually one of those areas that
can give us orientation and we can rely on.</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Independent
peer review frameworks</span><span style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">for Scholarly publications is among the
foundations of good science. However, this is</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">obviously at
risk now. </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">If a professional association takes</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">agrees to
publish scholarly publications (edited books etc)</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">through a
GIS vendor’s press then there is potential issues with
independent peer review and ensuring scientific quality.
It is only natural that any GIS vendor publication press
to have vested interests in promoting their products and</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">agenda. It
also makes it easy for the vendor to get endorsement for
their</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">products
from scientific and professional organisations using
this route. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Independent
peer review is the fundamental aspect of science and
we need to ensure all steps to protect this.</span></span></p>
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now seeing a very disturbing trend with</span><span
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even starting to trademark “ science” for
marketing/sales of their</span><span style="color:
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Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">“science” is
being misused for vendor marketing/sales! . I have
raised this issue through an open letter [1] .</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Science is
not a commodity to be marketed or sold by any vendor
owners! I am very sad and disappointed to see this
degrading of science happening. Scientific organisations
should not endorse any specific vendor products etc as
“Science” and take strong moral stand against</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">marketing of
products as “Science’ by any vendor owners!</span></p>
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"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I am a
volunteer for the ICA for the last 15 years and always
done my best in my small way to support ICA . Around one
year back, i</span><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">n the light of the </span></i><a
href="http://mapyear.org/" id="LPlnk430064"
class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color: #e4af0a"><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">International
Map Year (IMY)</span></i></span></a><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">, the </span></i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">The
International Cartographic Association (ICA) started an
excellent initiative </span><i><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">for</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">highlighting the value of
cartography by “mapping” the </span></i><a
href="https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/"
id="LPlnk307766" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color: #e4af0a"><i><span style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">UN sustainable development
goals</span></i></span></a><i><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">.</span></i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> Building
upon this, The ICA community started work on a book on
UN SDG Mapping</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">building upon the posters of the various
commissions on this [2]. This is a great community
initiative developed with inputs from all colleagues in
commissions of the ICA. The Open Source Geospatial
Commission colleagues also contributed our inputs for
this. When the book project was announced, I did my best
to contact colleagues to contribute to this in good
faith. I didn’t have the faintest idea that it was being
planned to be published through a properitary GIS vendor
publication press! </span> <span style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">As soon as I came to know about this, I did
contact Menno -Jan with my concerns and requested him
that as this is a community book project to please allow
open discussions and keep the community updated [3] . I
was very surprised that there was no open and
transparent discussions on selecting the book publisher
was done.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">From an
email from Anthony Robinson on 16th July 2018, I
understand now that ICA is not proceeding with the
vendor GIS publication press (Esri press)</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">for the SDG
book and I welcome this. But it is</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">important</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">we need to
be learn lessons from this mistake and not repeat this
in future</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">We are all
humans and make mistakes.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I fully
respect the right of individuals publishing their
personal work [1] in any publication house that they
wish. But as officers of Scientific Organisations, esp.
in times of some vendor owners
doing marketing/sales on “Science” , I request all
colleagues to be careful not to do anything that will
undermine independent peer review process.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I am
suggesting some initial ideas that we all can take as a
community to help reduce this problem in the future</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">
<li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">All Scientific </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Associations and
organisations should </span><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">ensure
that there is full open and transparent discussions
allowed before choosing any publishers of scholarly
publications (Edited Books etc). </span></span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">
<li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">It is
important that GIS scientific
associations/organisations take strong moral stand
against taking sponsorship/royalty etc </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">for
scholarly publications from all GIS vendors .
Independent peer review system is the fundamental
aspect of science. So I am humbly requesting all
Scientific organisations to</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">not use </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">any GIS
vendor controlled press for publishing scholarly
outputs (edited books etc).</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">GIS scientific organisations
should not</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">tak</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">e</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> any sponsorship or royalty
for scholarly publications (</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">books, journals etc) from
any GIS vendors . If a scientific association takes</span></span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">agrees to
publish scholarly publications (edited books etc)</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
through the vendor’s press then there is potential
issues with independent peer review and ensuring
scientific quality. It is only natural that any GIS
vendor publication press to have vested interests in
promoting their products and agenda. It also makes
it easy for the vendor to get endorsement for their
products from scientific and professional
organisations using this route. </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Independent peer review is
the fundamental aspect of science and we need to
ensure all steps to protect this.</span></span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">
<li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Officers
of Scientific Organisations and Editors of all GIS
journals </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">declare any conflict of interest with any
vendors (funding/sponsorship/royalties etc received
from any GIS vendors currently or in the past) to
ensure transparency and good practices.They should not
support any vendors interest directly or indirectly.
Scientific organisations should not endorse any
specific vendor products etc as “Science” and take
strong moral stand against marketing of products as
“Science’ by any vendor owners!</span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I am
concerned with the wider degradation of science and
education happening in different sectors. This is a
moral issue and needs all organisations globally in
science and education working together.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 14px;"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Helvetica
Neue"; font-size: 12px;"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">It
is the fundamental </span><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">duty
of all </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Officers
of Scientific Organisations</span></span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">to guard and
protect independent peer review frameworks</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span><font
face="Helvetica Neue"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">for
Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations. I
am hopeful and confident that that they will do this
for the future.</span></font><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Best wishes,</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Suchith</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span
style="color: #454545">[1] <a
href="https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/geospatial-ig/post/open-letter-importance-scientific-freedom-and-public-good"
id="LPlnk527628" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="color: rgb(228, 175, 10);">https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/geospatial-ig/post/open-letter-importance-scientific-freedom-and-public-good</span></a></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span
style="color: #454545">[2] <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://</a><a
href="http://icaci.org/maps-and-sustainable-development-goals/"
id="LPlnk925436" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color: #e4af0a">icaci.org/maps-and-sustainable-development-goals/</span></a></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span
style="color: #454545">[3] <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-June/003790.html"
id="LPlnk76817" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="color: rgb(228, 175, 10);">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-June/003790.html</span></a></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span
style="color: #454545">[4] <a
href="https://esripress.esri.com/display/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&websiteID=254&moduleID=0"
id="LPlnk619170" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="color: #e4af0a">https://esripress.esri.com/display/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&websiteID=254&moduleID=0</span></a> </span></p>
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"Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);
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