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<p>Hi Christian,</p>
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<p>for sure a topic with lots of facets for discussion. Allow me to
discontinue here, though - reason being that (i) there was a very
wise, unsurpassable post by Mark Gahagan and (ii) Suchith has
asked to close this thread, and as it is "his" thread I want to
respect it. Hope for your understanding!<br>
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<p>cheers,</p>
<p>Peter<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25.07.2018 10:53, Christian Willmes
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Peter,</p>
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<p>good point! And fair enough for your example on SQL which is an
open standard and thus reproducible in theory and practice. My
Point is more general, although it may not be 100% thought
through yet, so comments are welcome. My argumetation on this is
as follows:</p>
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</p>
<p>Scientific publications that deal for example with a GIS
analysis on a specific topic, should be published in a way, that
any reader of that study can practically reproduce its analysis
and its results.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>From my point of view, for > 90% of publications in the GIS
domain, this is not the case yet, either caused by constraints
in data availability or software availability, or mostly by just
the lack of precise documentation and citation of the data
sources and the conduct of the processing workflow of the study.
Hardware constraints are also a thing, but I think this should
not be the concern of the scientist, to ensure his/her research
is open and transparent and in practice and theory reproducible.
<br>
</p>
<p>Software wise, it would be from my point of view plain
unscientific, if the results in the publication are produced
with a proprietary ("point and click" without detailed
documentation of processing steps taken) software, and
additionally are not reproducible without a license of that
software. Thus I would demand, to be able to label something
Open Science or reproducible Science, access to the software (or
at least precise definitions of how it is implemented, for
example the source code) for reproducing the results must be a
given. For example a script executing all the commands for the
analysis workflow conducted, would do this precisely. If the
script uses closed software, this would be less open compared to
a script that uses open software. <br>
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<p><br>
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<p>But in the end I am sure, that these kinds of reproducible
research publications, will end up using open source or at least
open access (free for scientific use) software, because it will
just generate more impact, if also Scientists with less access
to expensive software can also built upon this research results
and cite it accordingly...</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Think also about the positive feedback from science funding for
development of open software instead of paying for licenses,
researchers would pay programmers or companies that offer
according programming solutions to develop software for their
scientific needs and interests. The aspect that this open
approach adheres also better to the understanding of how science
works or should work in general, is also an important point.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Christian<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.07.2018 um 09:57 schrieb Peter
Baumann:<br>
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<p>Hi Christian,</p>
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<p>while I could not agree more to what you say there is one
point to disagree with:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.07.2018 18:43, Christian
Willmes wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear Suchith,<br>
<br>
I understand your point, and I also support your views on
this, but this is from my perspective a too
personal/particular issue, as to have it as an "OSGeo open
letter". Also, because this is more of an ICA and not so
much an OSGeo issue, I think. <br>
<br>
First, I would keep it more general. You address a
particular issue (UN SDG book published by esri), and also
some personal background (this should not matter to the
addressed subject). I would recommend you keep it from being
personal and denouncing proprietary GIS vendors. If a
company plays by the rules of science, there is nothing
wrong about that company publishing a scientific book. I.e.
almost all book publishers are commercial companies with
interests somehow and somewhere.<br>
<br>
You need to “attack” scientific “wrong doing” by that
particular company in conducting the editing and publication
of that book. Publishing books if done correctly is not
wrong, even by a vendor with vested interests. But if you
witness, for example, that submissions using open source GIS
solutions are disadvantaged against the submissions using
products of the proprietary GIS vendor publishing the book,
that would be the point to raise and attack.<br>
<br>
Second, better write about how it should be done to avoid
this negative “Fake Science” things from happening. Here the
idea of Open Science and Reproducible Science is key, i.e.
the most openness and transparency possible. We just need
more transparency in science and also in the whole process
of editing/reviewing and publishing a book. And this is
where OSGeo can contribute. Basically, real reproducible and
open science is not possible without open source software.
If you can’t see how something is implemented, you can not
really reproduce the results.<br>
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<br>
No. Open science and open source software are fundamentally
different things. For example, if you derive stats from some
data set via SQL it does not matter whether it comes from
open-source PostgreSQL or from proprietary Oracle. Because the
SQL language in its syntax and semantics is standardized, and it
is assured thereby that both systems will deliver the same
results. So standards actually are a prerequisite for science to
be comparable, but surely not open source.<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
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<p> <br>
Third, if you accuse someone of “Fake Science” please make
sure to offer evidence about this particular misconduct. If
you fail to do so, you are creating “fake news” yourself.
Sorry, no offense at you personally, but I think its not a
good idea to publish this letter in OSGeo's or GeoForAll's
name. At least not with these accusations or even notion of
"Fake Science" in it.<br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>To be clear, I share your view that it is bad, if esri
would publish a book written by scientists in the context of
a United Nations initiative to maybe only advertise its own
product, but until any misconduct is proven, you can't
accuse esri or ICA of "Fake Science".</p>
<p><br>
Best regards,<br>
Christian<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.07.2018 um 11:53 schrieb
Suchith Anand:<br>
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feel sad that</span></span><span style="color:
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Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations.</span></p>
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Officers of Scientific Associations/Organisations</span><span
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
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always take steps to </span><span style="font-size:
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and protect independent peer review frameworks</span></span><span
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Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations. I
am hopeful and confident that that they all will do
this for the future.</span><br>
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sans-serif;">I am not a native English speaker, so
please help refine this</span><span style="color:
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Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">letter correctly. I want us to
look at the future not focus on mistakes made in past
. Some mistakes have been made and I understand that
this is corrected. We are all human , so we all make
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but look at ideas on how we can strengthen the
independent peer review frameworks</span><span
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Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations in
the future.</span></p>
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rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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sans-serif;">The International Cartographic
Association (ICA) is my organisation for which</span><span
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
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volunteered for the last 15 years and continuing . I
have great respect for everyone in this great global
community . The SDG book is a community effort (not
any individual’s book project) . I have requested from
the start (as soon as I came to know) for openness and
transparency in decision making for selecting the
publisher. esp. as this book is on UN SDG . I
understand that ICA has now corrected the mistake .
Everyone makes mistakes and it takes courage to
acknowledge and correct the mistakes .Compassion and
forgiveness are important values .</span><span
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very grateful that ICA has listened to my concerns and
rectified this . So I don’t have any issues with ICA
or any colleagues in ICA. We might have difference in
opinions on some issues and having free and open
discussions is in my humble opinion the best way to
learn each others perspectives and find best solutions
to move forward.</span></p>
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send any updates/modifications needed to the draft by
30th July 2018. I am on family holidays ( with no
internet ) in first week of August, so I will aim to
send this before I go on holidays.</span><br>
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rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">Draft of Open Letter on the importance
to protecting independent peer review frameworks</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span></b><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">for Scholarly publications
of Scientific Associations</span></b></span></p>
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normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Scholarly publications
(edited books, journals etc) from scientific
associations</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">/</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">organisations has</span></span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">credibility
and reputation because of strong independent peer
review frameworks </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">. We are very fortunate in the Geospatial
domain to have many reputed Scientific Associations
and organisations (ICA, IGU, ISPRS, IEEE-GRSS, IAG
etc) who have over many decades provided strong
leadership in advancement of geo science.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
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normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">In times of fake news, science is usually
one of those areas that can give us orientation and we
can rely on.</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">Independent peer review frameworks</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">for
Scholarly publications is among the foundations of
good science. However, this is</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">obviously
at risk now. </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">If a professional association takes</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">agrees to
publish scholarly publications (edited books etc)</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">through a
GIS vendor’s press then there is potential issues with
independent peer review and ensuring scientific
quality. It is only natural that any GIS vendor
publication press to have vested interests in
promoting their products and</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">agenda. It also makes it easy
for the vendor to get endorsement for their</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">products
from scientific and professional organisations using
this route. </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Independent
peer review is the fundamental aspect of science and
we need to ensure all steps to protect this.</span></span></p>
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rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">We are also now seeing a very disturbing
trend with</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">some vendors even starting to trademark “
science” for marketing/sales of their</span><span
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font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">products
and </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">“science” is being misused for vendor
marketing/sales! . I have raised this issue through an
open letter [1] .</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">Science is not a commodity to be marketed
or sold by any vendor owners! I am very sad and
disappointed to see this degrading of science
happening. Scientific organisations should not endorse
any specific vendor products etc as “Science” and take
strong moral stand against</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">marketing of products as
“Science’ by any vendor owners!</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">I am a volunteer for the ICA for the last
15 years and always done my best in my small way to
support ICA . Around one year back, i</span><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">n the
light of the </span></i><a
href="http://mapyear.org/" id="LPlnk430064"
class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color: #e4af0a"><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">International
Map Year (IMY)</span></i></span></a><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">, the </span></i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">The
International Cartographic Association (ICA) started
an excellent initiative </span><i><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">for</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">highlighting
the value of cartography by “mapping” the </span></i><a
href="https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/"
id="LPlnk307766" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color: #e4af0a"><i><span style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">UN sustainable
development goals</span></i></span></a><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">.</span></i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> Building
upon this, The ICA community started work on a book on
UN SDG Mapping</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">building upon the posters of the various
commissions on this [2]. This is a great community
initiative developed with inputs from all colleagues
in commissions of the ICA. The Open Source Geospatial
Commission colleagues also contributed our inputs for
this. When the book project was announced, I did my
best to contact colleagues to contribute to this in
good faith. I didn’t have the faintest idea that it
was being planned to be published through a
properitary GIS vendor publication press! </span> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">As soon as
I came to know about this, I did contact Menno -Jan
with my concerns and requested him that as this is a
community book project to please allow open
discussions and keep the community updated [3] . I was
very surprised that there was no open and transparent
discussions on selecting the book publisher was done.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">From an email from Anthony Robinson on
16th July 2018, I understand now that ICA is not
proceeding with the vendor GIS publication press (Esri
press)</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">for the SDG book and I welcome this. But
it is</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">important</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">we need to be learn lessons
from this mistake and not repeat this in future</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">. </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">We are all humans and make
mistakes.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">I fully respect the right of individuals
publishing their personal work [1] in any publication
house that they wish. But as officers of Scientific
Organisations, esp. in times of some vendor owners
doing marketing/sales on “Science” , I request all
colleagues to be careful not to do anything that will
undermine independent peer review process.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">I am suggesting some initial ideas that
we all can take as a community to help reduce this
problem in the future</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">
<li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">All Scientific </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Associations and
organisations should </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">ensure that there is full
open and transparent discussions allowed before
choosing any publishers of scholarly publications
(Edited Books etc). </span></span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">
<li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">It is
important that GIS scientific
associations/organisations take strong moral stand
against taking sponsorship/royalty etc </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">for
scholarly publications from all GIS vendors .
Independent peer review system is the fundamental
aspect of science. So I am humbly requesting all
Scientific organisations to</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">not use
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">any
GIS vendor controlled press for publishing scholarly
outputs (edited books etc).</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">GIS
scientific organisations should not</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">tak</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">e</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"> any sponsorship or
royalty for scholarly publications (</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">books, journals etc) from
any GIS vendors . If a scientific association
takes</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">agrees to publish scholarly
publications (edited books etc)</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
through the vendor’s press then there is potential
issues with independent peer review and ensuring
scientific quality. It is only natural that any
GIS vendor publication press to have vested
interests in promoting their products and agenda.
It also makes it easy for the vendor to get
endorsement for their products from scientific
and professional organisations using this route. </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Independent peer review is
the fundamental aspect of science and we need to
ensure all steps to protect this.</span></span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<ul style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">
<li><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Officers
of Scientific Organisations and Editors of all GIS
journals </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">declare any conflict of interest with
any vendors (funding/sponsorship/royalties etc
received from any GIS vendors currently or in the
past) to ensure transparency and good practices.They
should not support any vendors interest directly or
indirectly. Scientific organisations should not
endorse any specific vendor products etc as
“Science” and take strong moral stand against
marketing of products as “Science’ by any vendor
owners!</span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">I am concerned with the wider degradation
of science and education happening in different
sectors. This is a moral issue and needs all
organisations globally in science and education
working together.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height:
14px;"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
"Helvetica Neue"; font-size: 12px;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">It is the fundamental </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">duty of all </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Officers of Scientific
Organisations</span></span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">to guard and
protect independent peer review frameworks</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span><font
face="Helvetica Neue"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">for
Scholarly publications of Scientific Associations. I
am hopeful and confident that that they will do this
for the future.</span></font><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">Best wishes,</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69);"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;">Suchith</span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span style="color: #454545">[1] <a
href="https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/geospatial-ig/post/open-letter-importance-scientific-freedom-and-public-good"
id="LPlnk527628" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="color: rgb(228, 175, 10);">https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/geospatial-ig/post/open-letter-importance-scientific-freedom-and-public-good</span></a></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span style="color: #454545">[2] <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://</a><a
href="http://icaci.org/maps-and-sustainable-development-goals/"
id="LPlnk925436" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color: #e4af0a">icaci.org/maps-and-sustainable-development-goals/</span></a></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span style="color: #454545">[3] <a
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-June/003790.html"
id="LPlnk76817" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="color: rgb(228, 175, 10);">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-June/003790.html</span></a></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height:
normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(228, 175, 10);"> <span style="color: #454545">[4] <a
href="https://esripress.esri.com/display/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&websiteID=254&moduleID=0"
id="LPlnk619170" class="OWAAutoLink"
previewremoved="true" moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="color: #e4af0a">https://esripress.esri.com/display/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&websiteID=254&moduleID=0</span></a> </span></p>
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normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color:
rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;"> <br>
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tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com" moz-do-not-send="true">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)
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Dr. Christian Willmes
AG GIS & Fernerkundung | GIS & RS Group
Geographisches Institut | Institute of Geography
Universität zu Köln | University of Cologne
Tel.: +49 (0)221 470 6234
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.geographie.uni-koeln.de/14126.html" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.geographie.uni-koeln.de/14126.html</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sfb806.de" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sfb806.de</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://crc806db.uni-koeln.de" moz-do-not-send="true">http://crc806db.uni-koeln.de</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://publons.com/a/1316706/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://publons.com/a/1316706/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://orcid.org/0000-0002-5566-6542" moz-do-not-send="true">http://orcid.org/0000-0002-5566-6542</a>
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Dr. Peter Baumann
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)
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