<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi all</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I went to the last FOSS4G Asia in Hyderabad, India, within IIIT university premises.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">There I met wonderful students.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I was actually impressed with a particular female student, very bright, and with lots of ideas to tell.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I invited her to eat out.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">She could not go out of the university, because her father had forbidden her to go out of the University premises.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I asked, where is your father?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">She told me he lived about 300km to the north, and that when she needed to go out, he would drive to take her to where she needed to go.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Culture: not obey the (family/religion/legal) rules is not an option.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">She follows the rules, she is obedient.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What do you expect for woman who live that kind of culture, that we don't understand, not even a 1%?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If woman like her, get invited to be a keynote speaker, what is the probability for her to go?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Can you fight a culture that is completely different to occidental cultures?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Can you fight that culture, sitting in front of your computer, in England, USA, Mexico?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What would you tell her if you had that conversation?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In my particular case, I told her:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I am sure my father has the same concerns as your father, that is why he came with me.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And we ate in the University.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I invited my father, I paid his airplane ticket, hotel, food, souvenir, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The reason that I invited him is: I wanted to fit in the culture as much as possible.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">When passing through customs, he was called, and he had to do the talking.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">When going shopping or eating, the cashier first interaction was directed to him.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I can't fight a culture, I have to blend in.</div><div class="gmail_def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No, this is not a dismissal based on opinions. It is based on facts.<br>
This paper falls into the "correlation does not imply causation"<br>
fallacy:<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.o<wbr>rg/wiki/Correlation_does_not_i<wbr>mply_causation</a><br>
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Yes, but lack of correlation refutes causation. That is their point: gender equality does *not* cause equality of STEM gender outcomes.<br>
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Science requires humility. There is no greater experience in science than refuting your own hypothesis because it means that you might have discovered something non-obvious. The obvious hypothesis in this study was that equality of STEM gender outcomes would improve with gender equality. Their surprising discovery is the opposite. While there is much conjecture as to the cause, the core finding is remarkable, good science, and worthy of publication (in my uninformed opinion as a layman).<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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Kind regards,<br>
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Ben Caradoc-Davies <<a href="mailto:ben@transient.nz" target="_blank">ben@transient.nz</a>><br>
Director<br>
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