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<p>Please keep our rules simple.</p>
<p>Human interaction is complicated. And if we try to create a set
of rules to cover every use case, we will just end up with a very
complicated set of rules, which still won't cover all situations.</p>
<p>I think the issue here is that we are placing too much importance
on the role of charter membership. Apart from casting a vote for
the board, everything else that charter members do, such as
contributing to open source, or contributing to committees, or
organising conferences CAN BE DONE WITHOUT BEING AN OFFICIAL
CHARTER MEMBER.</p>
<p>Our risk of membership being overtaken by a "lobby group" is now
very low. I think we have a greater risk of membership
disengagement because we keep talking politics instead of talking
about interesting technical problems.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/12/18 4:23 pm, Andrea Giacomelli
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<div>Hi - <br>
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<div>I have been following this discussion with
interest...however lately I don't always follow OSGEO Discuss
in a timely manner, so I don't have all the elements fresh
with me and I apologise.</div>
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<div>As a former vice-president and external relations guy for
the Italian OSGEO Chapter, and having before and after been
involved in other community-based organisations (both virtual
and with feet-on-the-ground)...</div>
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<div>my question is: is it better to invest time and energy to
define a code of conduct to avoid lobbies, or to acknowledge
that the behaviour termed by some Western civilizations as
"lobbying" is pretty much human and should just be factored in
a process (while acknowledging that there are also many
individuals and organisations that *do not* use it and have
the same right to play their game)?</div>
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<div>I don't see a big issue with lobbies as long as they are
declared.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Il giorno mar 18 dic 2018 alle ore 21:41 Ben
Caradoc-Davies <<a href="mailto:ben@transient.nz"
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I
support this idea. It would be analogous to academic journals
that <br>
require authors to declare any conflicts of interest.<br>
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We might also adopt a rule, if we do not already have one,
that, when <br>
voting, members should act only to further the goals of OSGeo.
While I <br>
do not expect that it would happen, I would not like to see an
member <br>
vote for a client or employer in exchange for consideration.
Adopting an <br>
explicit rule would, in my view, help members resist external
pressure.<br>
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We must also balance the risk of lobbies with the need to
support <br>
members who are promoting OSGeo within their large
organisations. Having <br>
several members in an organisation allows them to support each
other in <br>
what can otherwise be a lonely position. Promotion of OSGeo
through <br>
mentoring and development of new members is one of our most
valuable <br>
forms of corporate outreach. In my view, any new rules should
support <br>
and not discourage these outreach activities. Transparent
disclosure may <br>
be sufficient and better than proscriptive rules.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Ben.<br>
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On 19/12/2018 00:45, Tom Chadwin wrote:<br>
> Hello all<br>
> <br>
> Perhaps if we request a declaration of any relationship
(commercial or personal) between nominator/seconder and
nominee, that would make everything transparent, and allow
members to judge for themselves whether such relationships
cast doubt on the validity of the nominee?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks<br>
> <br>
> Tom<br>
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