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<div dir="auto">I see two topics in this thread:</div>
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<div dir="auto">2- the community engagement</div>
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<div dir="auto">The two topics are related but not necessarily linked: good tools can foster or bad tools can limit the community engagement. We do not well know what are the pros and cons of the discourse tool and thus we do not know if it is an opportunity
or a risk. Mattermost for example is another used tool that is using discuss and may be worth to look at...</div>
<div dir="auto">Additionally there are effects also for the management of the solution (costs, efforts, security,... ) that system admin committee should evaluate and present..<br>
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<div dir="auto">About topic 2 we should probably open a discussion on a separate thread and collect community feeling, ideas and proposal, since it is a factual observation that there has been a sensible decline in the engagement of people in OSGeo... Not in
the conferences presences but in the remote collaboration and development... </div>
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<div dir="auto">I feel that geospatial tools have been make available to solve geospatial challenges and now people look at strategic issues that use geospatial tools: OGC, EO, NASA are just few examples that show positive growth... </div>
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<div dir="auto">A question to myself is, should we evolve and became a proactive foundation rather than only a great FOSS4G space and showcase..</div>
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<div dir="auto">Vicky is just the messenger, and may of caused some confusion when describing a new service the system admin committee has brought online.</div>
<div dir="auto">There no move planned; just some new software has just been installed and is available for any groups wishing to make use of discourse.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Folks have requested a forum for a while now - part of lowering the barrier of entry for a new generation etc…</div>
<div dir="auto">I hope the groups that have been waiting for this could help explain to the discussion list.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I am afraid I am just unfamiliar with this particular forum software which is why I have been asking questions.<br clear="all">
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<div dir="auto">Discourse seems an appealing solution for query and answer but I agree with Bruce that before we move we should have a nice open discussion, since it's not gonna be the magic stick... </div>
<div dir="auto">I've seen the platform used at some universities and seeing last post dated one year ago didn't attract people to use it..</div>
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<div dir="auto">I also believe we have a low engagement rate in the latest year and deep open reflections should be done in my opinion to revamp it... Since our community have been highly relevant and has more to say in my opinion..</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists explaining the pros and cons of such a move. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a significant move.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on 20 years.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will magically fix.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So experimentation is needed.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.<br clear="all">
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<div>* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1] (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing list)</div>
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<div>* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)<br>
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list and see the archives only on
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<div>[1] <a href="https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5">https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13">https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13</a></div>
<div>[3] <a href="https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1">
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<div>[4] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/</a></div>
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I'm also unclear on what is going on. It looks like discourse options are being added. This raises questions about mailing lists. 1. Are mailing lists going away? 2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add dicourse?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Is there any more information on what is being offered here?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.<br>
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<div>Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.</div>
<div>Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.<br>
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<div>If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.<br>
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<div>A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including private mailing lists):<br>
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<div>Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:<br>
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Ticket: <a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064</a> (has link to ticket 3063)<br>
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<div>And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:<br>
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<div>Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse<br>
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<div>Created the following discourse category<br>
<a href="https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13">https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13</a><br>
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<div>Replies can be done<br>
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<div>Ticket: <a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066</a></div>
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