<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">There is an interesting email Linus Torvalds writes in reaction to the LLM debate. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I’m aware (as he is too) that it does not provide an answer to all aspects around AI. But it covers the technical tool aspect. I reckon it makes sense to introduce this here as an outsider (from OSGeo) view. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="display: block;" class=""><div style="-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: element; display: inline-block;" class="apple-rich-link" draggable="true" role="link" data-url="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-%3Dwi4zC%2BZe8e%2Bp3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mail.gmail.com/"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:228px;user-select:none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none;" class="lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-%3Dwi4zC%2BZe8e%2Bp3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mail.gmail.com/" dir="ltr" role="button" draggable="false" width="228"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:228px;background-color:#8B6045;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="228"><tbody><tr><td vertical-align="center" align="center"><img style="width:228px;filter:brightness(0.97);height:228px;" width="228" height="228" draggable="false" class="lp-rich-link-mediaImage" alt="pensive.webp" src="cid:E59E700B-F9E5-48B1-89C8-53AF0F0AE77D"></td></tr><tr><td vertical-align="center"><table bgcolor="#8B6045" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="228" style="table-layout:fixed;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgba(139, 96, 69, 1);-apple-color-filter:initial;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-%3Dwi4zC%2BZe8e%2Bp3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mail.gmail.com/" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#FFFFFF" style="color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 1);">Making sure you're not a bot!</font></a></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-%3Dwi4zC%2BZe8e%2Bp3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mail.gmail.com/" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#FFFFFF" style="color: rgba(235, 235, 245, 0.6);">lore.kernel.org</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Have a good day!</div><div dir="ltr">Jeroen</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 9 Jul 2026, at 09:14, Vincent Picavet <vincent.ml@oslandia.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Hello,</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 02/07/2026 21:32, Jeroen Ticheler via Discuss wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear all,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[..]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The first outcome was a call to be careful with the way we talk to each other. If we lose respect and stop being a welcoming community, the harm lasts longer than any single PR. *We are in this together.* AI-assisted coding is here to stay, and it also opens doors, for example for people who do not code but want to help once good guardrails exist. The room agreed on this and backed it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[..]</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>I would also like to react to "AI-assisted coding is here to stay". This statement cannot be true in this simple form. This is exactly the message the big AI corp expect everyone to believe, but it is actually not possible in this simple expression. Propagating this message without nuance is wrong and already a strong bias to any debate :</span><br><span></span><br><span>- current AI-assisted coding methods cannot stay in the same economic system, as the financial construction of AI industry is totally unstable</span><br><span></span><br><span>- current AI-assisted coding practices cannot stay in the current legal situation, as the copyright principle itself is at stake ( hence all opensource legal basis )</span><br><span></span><br><span>- current AI-assisted coding tools cannot exist for long on our planet, given their impact on environment</span><br><span></span><br><span>These are at least 3 aspects of AI that objectively cannot stay as they are now. There are numerous others that may trigger debate, but what is for sure is that **current AI-assisted coding behaviours** will not stay as they are in the future and in our world, as they are not compatible. They will either evolve, or our world will change drastically.</span><br><span></span><br><span>And as citizens, this is also our choice to make, and not to blindly repeat PR announcement from AI coprs.</span><br><span></span><br><span>If you estimate that AI-assisted coding will stay, please include some nuances, impact & risk assessment, and conditions for that sentence to stay true also.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Vincent</span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>