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<p>ok, I'll have to go to the end of my thoughts. Basically I want
to strike against this poisonous capitalist system that leads us
to our end. Working while doing futile things (=writing software)
doesn't make any sense until we have overthrown that system.</p>
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<p><span>Hello. Generally speaking—at least within the realm
of labor unions—a strike is undertaken as a measure of
last resort to achieve a specific goal. It is a drastic
and extreme step because it is designed to cause
disruption to the other party (typically the employer, in
the case of unionized workers). With the proposed strike,
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<b>Enviado:</b> martes, 29 de setiembre de 2026 7:58:10<br>
<b>Para:</b> Luí s Moreira de Sousa; Even Rouault<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OSGeo Discuss list<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] About organizing a
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Hi Luis,<br>
<br>
Not answering on a general level nor on the strike itself,
but concerning funding I think there is a misunderstanding
here in terms of orders of magnitudes.<br>
<br>
Great news that the EU allocates funding to OSS software in
geospatial, BUT :<br>
<br>
- It gets down to 3m€ cascaded to projects in the end, cut
into ~50K€ grants ( ~0.5 FTE per project )<br>
<br>
- 3m€ is literally peanuts compared to the global funding of
opensource geospatial software and to what would be required
to address real funding issues (<br>
<br>
- 3m€ is literally nothing in the EU budget, including if
you compare to other funded IT domain ( e.g. just on a
French scale, tax reductions for research & development
amount to _8 billions_ yearly )<br>
<br>
I do not say it is not a good news, and I really enjoy
seeing our topics being at least recognized, and especially
allocated to OSGeo / NLNet, because these funding programs
are good, well managed, and can help improve projects.<br>
<br>
But let's be realistic, having 3m€ on the table will not
solve any of the foundamental funding issue for opensource
and for opensource geospatial, to say the least.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Vincent<br>
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On 29/09/2026 12:30, Luí s Moreira de Sousa via Discuss
wrote:<br>
> Hi Even,<br>
><br>
> I am still missing a clear identification of the
target(s) of this strike. A strike against an unclear
opponent (or against everyone) is bound to be ineffective.<br>
><br>
> The European Commission just allocated 6 M€ to open
source software in GeoInformatics. The OSGeo Foundation is
part of the consortium managing and assigning those funds.
In that scope a strike regarding lack of funding seems
inopurtune.<br>
><br>
> Regards.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Luís Moreira de Sousa<br>
><br>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.<br>
><br>
> On Monday, 28 September 2026 at 14:46, Even Rouault via
Discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss@lists.osgeo.org></a> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I've had recently a discussion with one of ours
that suggested that my<br>
>> proposal should be refined, particularly in terms
of dates and claims,<br>
>> which I agree. I'd wish not to be the lead on this,
but oh well since<br>
>> this is already my 12th day of strike, I guess I
can spend some time<br>
>> helping coordinating.<br>
>><br>
>> Several points:<br>
>><br>
>> - how long people are ready to strike ? (I'm well
aware people have<br>
>> bills to pay.) One week, two weeks, one month ?<br>
>><br>
>> - one way also to extend the length of the strike
could be to organize<br>
>> it in a rolling way, e.g. it could be 4 weeks,
with only 25% of people<br>
>> being on strike simultaneously<br>
>><br>
>> - how do we communicate around that ? I'd be great
if OSGeo as an<br>
>> organization would be willing to make an official
press release, since<br>
>> strikes are only efficient if they are made felt
and visible.<br>
>><br>
>> - which claims do we want to bring forwards ? So
far what I've heard:<br>
>> * lack of funding for maintenance in open
source software<br>
>> * complaint against economical and political
forces in<br>
>> responsibility for not making the decisive steps to
stop the root causes<br>
>> of global warming and mitigate the unavoidable
consequences<br>
>> * complaint against lack of involvement of
citizens on the<br>
>> appropriateness, scope and limits of the use of AI
technologies<br>
>><br>
>> We can organize a poll once people have expressed a
bit their minds.<br>
>><br>
>> Even<br>
>><br>
>> Le 11/09/2026 à 18:31, Even Rouault via Discuss a
écrit :<br>
>>> Hi Luis,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I was genuinely interested in what people could
have in mind with such<br>
>>> a call. I realize that my motion (obviously
second degree in its form)<br>
>>> was way too much restricted with the developer
and not inclusive enough.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So let me write down a sketch what I had in
mind. Well something along<br>
>>> those lines... I'm a poor communicator and
activist<br>
>>><br>
>>> """Here we undersigned X, Y, Z, etc members of
the OSGeo community<br>
>>> make the following statements:<br>
>>><br>
>>> - we recognize that economical and political
forces in responsibility<br>
>>> in countries of our finite planet are not
making the decisive steps to<br>
>>> stop the root causes of global warming and
mitigate the unavoidable<br>
>>> consequences<br>
>>><br>
>>> - we ask that citizens of countries of our
planet to have their say<br>
>>> through democratic expression on the
appropriateness, scope and limits<br>
>>> of the use of AI technologies<br>
>>><br>
>>> Both issues affect all inhabitants of this
planet, and ourselves in<br>
>>> particular.<br>
>>><br>
>>> To underline the seriousness of our concerns,
we have decided to stop<br>
>>> our activities for a period of one month,
formely a strike, and invite<br>
>>> any other person or group in other communities
to act similarly<br>
>>><br>
>>> """<br>
>>><br>
>>> So yes nothing directly about the business of
software or against<br>
>>> OSGeo... But in a world where your life is
endangered, creating or<br>
>>> using software is the least of your concern.
Recent experience showed<br>
>>> me that in a world were I would be exposed
regularly to temperature >=<br>
>>> 30 degrees, my productivity those days would
be zero as this summer<br>
>>> demonstrated. So after all, you could tell that
it's about OSGeo<br>
>>> making sure its members have access to liveable
conditions to<br>
>>> accomplish it mission (and I consider that
buying a fan or air<br>
>>> conditionning is just a band-aid, not a serious
response to the<br>
>>> issue). The part about AI could enter in the
mental health of its<br>
>>> members. AI is an addictive drug, a true one.<br>
>>><br>
>>> To be fully transparent, my main needs in life
are breathing, drinking<br>
>>> water, eating, health care, dressing,
housing. Being able to write<br>
>>> open source software would probably be ranked
below 50th position.<br>
>>> This is kind of a futile hobby, right? Yes I
know I'm kind of<br>
>>> provocative, but in the world we're heading
too, not sure that<br>
>>> computers will matter that much.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Even<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Le 11/09/2026 à 18:00, Luí s Moreira de Sousa a
écrit :<br>
>>>> Hi Even,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> strikes, and general strikes, were some of
the first tools (many<br>
>>>> times effective) in what became knownw as
the Class Struggle. A<br>
>>>> strike is an action taken by a percieved
weak faction (union, workers<br>
>>>> association) facing a strong faction
(employer, owner of means of<br>
>>>> production).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Before devising motives, it would be
important to identify against<br>
>>>> which faction the community would be
striking. We contribute to<br>
>>>> projects and the Foundation itself, none of
which fit the traditional<br>
>>>> understanding of owners of means of
production.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Regards.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Luís Moreira de Sousa<br>
>> --<br>
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>> My software is free, but my time generally not.<br>
>> LLMs contribute to global warming and brain rot.<br>
>> Let's guillotine them! "Ah ! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
!"<br>
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My software is free, but my time generally not.
LLMs contribute to global warming and brain rot.
Let's guillotine them! "Ah ! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira !"</pre>
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