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<p>Dear Maxi, @all,</p>
<p>I think this was an issue, we already talked about on the BoF
last week: The goal of a OSGeo-Europe is **not** to establish a
new hierarchy between the existing european local chapters and
OSgeo (world). </p>
<p>I am personally member of a (forming) OSGeo-Europe as
me-myself-and-I, not as representant from FOSSGIS board (OSGeo
local chapter D-A-CH). Honestly there even was no "order" by
FOSSGIS to become a member of OSGeo-EU, the decision to join is
100% based on my own. <br>
</p>
<p>I became (founding) member, because I want to bring in my ideas
and power into the european local chapter. These ideas are
different from my motivation to be in our local FOSSGIS chapter. </p>
<p>This all means for me, that charter/board members of OSgeo or any
local chapter are not automatically member of OSGeo-Europe - but
everybody (even non-europeans) can become a member. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I agree in the point, that we need synergies to avoid duplication
of efforts and adoption of a common action line. <br>
</p>
<p>About the rest you wrote in your email I'd like to discuss when
we are done and be an official approved local chapter.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Till<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.07.2017 um 14:13 schrieb
Massimiliano Cannata:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear European charter members and OSGeo board,
<div dir="auto">I would like to express my support for an
OSGeo continental chapter and provide my point of view, that
even if often considered uncomfortable, hope will bring
discussion to improve.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I hope that before starting the chapter:</div>
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<div dir="auto">* there is a clear and equitable rule for
using the OSGeo name in European bids (see h2020 for
example) since this may be a competitive advantage.</div>
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<div>It is totally unclear to me how OSGeo-EU would relate
to H2020 projects for example:</div>
<div>- Will it participate as a partner in any calls? </div>
<div>- How the selection of supported project will be done? </div>
<div>- How, in case of funding, allocated money will be
distributed to members?</div>
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<div dir="auto">* there is a defined and focused coordination
with local chapters </div>
<div>- synergies are needed to avoid duplication of efforts
and adoption of a common action line.</div>
<div>- ideally I'd like to see a hierarchical structure from
international to continental and national level "chapters"
but this is a matter for the board..</div>
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<div dir="auto">Here some proposed actions, </div>
<div dir="auto">that in my opinion would demonstrate the open
principle of the OSGeo European Chapter community:</div>
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<div dir="auto">* run a democratic election of the board
representatives within 6 months from the inception</div>
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<div>* include all the OSGeo charter member that express their
willing as "full" member (was charter member in OSGeo not
sure how "full member" is in OSGeo-EU)</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Maxi</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il 24 lug 2017 2:56 PM, "Dirk Frigne"
<<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>
ha scritto:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Maria<br>
<br>
"is a member of a local chapter also a charter<br>
> member of Eu Chapter? Or we will have a complex
structure where local<br>
> chapter members can be not Eu charter members but
charter members of<br>
> OSGeo as a whole?"<br>
<br>
No, as Jody and Lucca already mentioned, this is an
organisation of<br>
volunteers. Everybody who wants to volunteer can become a
member, but<br>
volunteers can also be 'only' OSGeo members.<br>
<br>
The "official" OSGeo-Europe members are responsible to
guard the correct<br>
working of the organisation, as a legal structure. 22
volunteers<br>
expressed there interest to become a founding member and
have signed the<br>
bylaws that we discussed last year as a google drive
document, and<br>
during the BOF of July 19 2017.<br>
<br>
As a community we appreciate the help of everybody who
wants to promote<br>
Geo free and open source software. Everybody who want's to
support the<br>
local chapter can add his name on the wiki [1]. As of
today there are<br>
already 27 names on the list. The bylaws have a mechanism
to add these<br>
members as "full members" during the next general assembly
(a similar<br>
process as for OSGeo.org).<br>
<br>
But as Lucca already mentioned: it is more important to be
a member of<br>
OSGeo.org, although I hope we can make OSGeo.org stronger
trough the<br>
initiative we are setting up.<br>
<br>
Once we've got our formal acceptance by the OSGeo Board,
we will publish<br>
the bylaws in the Belgian Official Journal and create the
legal<br>
structure. We will start to setup the agenda of the
typical European<br>
points we want to work on this first year asap after
acceptance.<br>
<br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
PS. I added the European list as I think this discussion
also concerns<br>
the European list.<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Europe"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Eu<wbr>rope</a><br>
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On 2017-07-23 15:32, Luca Delucchi wrote:<br>
> On 23 July 2017 at 12:54, Jody Garnett <<a
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> All local chapters have the same relationship
with OSGeo.<br>
>><br>
>> A key reason to found a local chapter is to
interact and advocate for open<br>
>> source on a regional city, state or national or
union level - something the<br>
>> global osgeo organization is not in the best
position to do.<br>
>><br>
>> I do not think it is useful (or any of our
business) to ask about members<br>
>> being automatically in a group. We are a
volunteer organization and members<br>
>> volunteer where their hearts lie.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> I fully agree with Jody, OSGeo EU will be a local
chapter with its<br>
> freedom as all the others, only the people who want
be part of it<br>
> should be part of it (for example I'm in Italian
local chapter but<br>
> right now I choose to not be part of OSGeo EU)<br>
><br>
> As I already told during this days I don't fully
believe on it right<br>
> now (maybe in the future will be different) and I'm a
little bit<br>
> worried about the energy that it will take from other<br>
> activities/chapter.<br>
><br>
> However with more than 20 founders, most of them
really well known in<br>
> the OSGeo family, I think that OSGeo EU should be
accepted as new<br>
> chapter.<br>
><br>
> my2cents<br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
Yours sincerely,<br>
<br>
<br>
ir. Dirk Frigne<br>
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