<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>Hi, <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think that we can always facilitate conversation between companies that promote free or open source software when going for an European project. That would be a good push even if osgeo itself is not part of the bid. </div></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 27, 2017 10:39 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>All,</p>
<p>I think OSGeo and OSGeo-EU should be very careful not to compete
commercially or provide commercial favour for one organisation or
individual over another. Doing so is fraught with potential for
bias, corruption, having vendors buy influence, and accusations of
foul play. OSGeo is by design a Not-For-Profit organisation. <br>
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<p>We should certainly be promoting Open Source Software, and
teaching agencies how to evaluate the value of established and
mature projects (as proven by OSGeo incubation process).</p>
<p>We should be helping show agencies how to engage most effectively
with Open Source communities, showing the business value that can
be gained by giving back, rather than just taking from Open Source
communities.</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-cite-prefix">On 27/7/17 5:01 pm, Maria Antonia
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<div>Thanks Dirk, this gives more information to the board.
Please can you tell us what happens if and when two different
teams of people within OSGeo want to answer the same call for
an EU project? As we are more or less working on the same
topics it will happen (is very probable) that we have 2
proposals which are in competition. Who decide proposal A and
not B or proposal A and B? </div>
<div>For sure you already discussed because this can create
problems in the community. Do you reach a consensus about
that?</div>
<div>Have a good day!</div>
<div>Maria </div>
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From: Dirk Frigne <a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank"><dirk.frigne@geosparc.com></a> <br>
Date: 26/07/2017 17:26 (GMT+01:00) <br>
To: <a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>, <a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest
forming a European Chapter
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<div class="m_-7535329301593045477PlainText">Steven,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply.<br>
I forwarded the discussion to the eu-list, as I think more
people will<br>
read this than the board list. So more people could be
involved in the<br>
discussion.<br>
<br>
I think you made a good summary of an answer. If OSGeo is
involved in a<br>
H2020 project, it could ask for funding to promote open
source for Geo<br>
on the different dissimination actions of the project. It
also could<br>
provide money to support code sprints and the travel costs
involved.<br>
<br>
I think the most important element to involve OSGeo in such
projects is<br>
to promote the organisation in the European projects, making
it visible<br>
and giving it a platform to speak up.<br>
<br>
To be the prime contractor is another level I think. And to
obtain this<br>
we should have a good team that could run such a project. In
this case I<br>
think we should the right people to do this, and of course
the money<br>
could come from the project to support this.<br>
<br>
But to start with, I proposr to just focus on bringing our
name on the<br>
European agenda.<br>
<br>
I also think it is more important to act and go forward in
stead of<br>
discuss and stand still. If problems arise, they will be
discussed, as<br>
we do already more than 10 years.<br>
<br>
And by the way, for the H2020 project we are involved in
right now is<br>
the prime contractor the Flemish region. So not only
businesses,<br>
universities, but also NGO's and public authorities can be
part of it.<br>
This is i.m.h.o. a very interesting platform for OSGeo to
get involved<br>
in new software projects, and promote the use and creation
of (Geo) open<br>
source software.<br>
<br>
my2c<br>
Dirk<br>
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On 2017-07-26 16:08, Steven Feldman wrote:<br>
> I’m not involved in the thinking on applying for H2020
or any other EU<br>
> opportunities so I am not going to try to answer Maxi’s
questions on<br>
> behalf of the prospective chapter.<br>
> <br>
> My thoughts:<br>
> <br>
> I think that we need to be flexible in considering how
we would organise<br>
> to respond to an opportunity, it may be a consortium of
European OSGeo<br>
> businesses (and universities) or it may be that there
is a case for<br>
> OSGeo Europe actually being the prime contractor. I
would expect each<br>
> opportunity to require a different approach.<br>
> <br>
> I don’t see why membership of the European Chapter
should be restricted<br>
> to charter members, AFAIK we don’t apply that rule in
any of our local<br>
> chapters (we certainly don’t in UK)<br>
> <br>
> We don’t need to have hard and fast rules or to answer
every question<br>
> before we get started.<br>
> ______<br>
> Steven<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On 26 Jul 2017, at 14:44, Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
>> <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" target="_blank">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a> <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" target="_blank">mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.<wbr>it</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Steven for your input. Please, can you help
also in answering<br>
>> the items pointed out by Maxi? <br>
>> One of the reasons of creating the Eu Chaper is
also to apply for Eu<br>
>> calls and therefore the questions seem to me of
interest. Maxi is also<br>
>> an enthusiastic chapter member and also his opinion
deserves attention. <br>
>> Thanks a lot for helping the Board in considering
all the facets and<br>
>> the different points of view. <br>
>> Best regards<br>
>> Maria<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my Samsung device<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>> From: Steven Feldman <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> Date: 26/07/2017 11:36 (GMT+01:00)<br>
>> To: OSGeo Board <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a> <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><wbr>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of
interest forming a<br>
>> European Chapter<br>
>><br>
>> I would encourage the board to allow the European
members who are<br>
>> enthusiastic about the formation of a European
Chapter to get started<br>
>> without trying to be too prescriptive or to resolve
possible issues or<br>
>> question before it arises.<br>
>><br>
>> Let’s harness enthusiasm to try new things<br>
>> ______<br>
>> Steven<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On 26 Jul 2017, at 08:36,
<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board-request@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-request@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:board-request@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:board-request@lists.<wbr>osgeo.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Message: 1<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:03:35 +0000<br>
>>> From: Maria Antonia Brovelli
<<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" target="_blank">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" target="_blank">mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.<wbr>it</a>>><br>
>>> To: Massimiliano Cannata
<<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">mailto:massimiliano.cannata@<wbr>supsi.ch</a>>>,
Dirk Frigne<br>
>>> <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a> <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.<wbr>com</a>>>,
OSGeo<br>
>>> Discussions<br>
>>> <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a> <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.<wbr>org</a>>>,<br>
>>> "<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a> <<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>>"
<<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>>>,<br>
>>> OSGeo Board <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a> <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><wbr>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression
of interest forming a<br>
>>> EuropeanChapter<br>
>>> Message-ID:
<<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010@email.android.com" target="_blank">5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.<wbr>1501052432010@email.android.<wbr>com</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010@email.android.com" target="_blank">mailto:<wbr>5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.<wbr>1501052432010@email.android.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear Maxi<br>
>>> Well noted. We'll discuss about that as well.
This is a relevant<br>
>>> point. Thank you for suggesting solutions.<br>
>>> Are there other comments by other members?<br>
>>> Best regards<br>
>>> Maria<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my Samsung device<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>>> From: Massimiliano Cannata
<<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">mailto:massimiliano.cannata@<wbr>supsi.ch</a>>><br>
>>> Date: 25/07/2017 14:13 (GMT+01:00)<br>
>>> To: Dirk Frigne <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.<wbr>com</a>>>,
OSGeo Discussions<br>
>>> <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.<wbr>org</a>>>,
<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>>,
OSGeo Board <<a class="m_-7535329301593045477moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><wbr>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression
of interest forming a<br>
>>> European Chapter<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear European charter members and OSGeo board,<br>
>>> I would like to express my support for an OSGeo
continental chapter<br>
>>> and provide my point of view, that even if
often considered<br>
>>> uncomfortable, hope will bring discussion to
improve.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I hope that before starting the chapter:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * there is a clear and equitable rule for using
the OSGeo name in<br>
>>> European bids (see h2020 for example) since
this may be a competitive<br>
>>> advantage.<br>
>>> It is totally unclear to me how OSGeo-EU would
relate to H2020<br>
>>> projects for example:<br>
>>> - Will it participate as a partner in any
calls?<br>
>>> - How the selection of supported project will
be done?<br>
>>> - How, in case of funding, allocated money will
be distributed to<br>
>>> members?<br>
>>><br>
>>> * there is a defined and focused coordination
with local chapters<br>
>>> - synergies are needed to avoid duplication of
efforts and adoption<br>
>>> of a common action line.<br>
>>> - ideally I'd like to see a hierarchical
structure from international<br>
>>> to continental and national level "chapters"
but this is a matter for<br>
>>> the board..<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here some proposed actions,<br>
>>> that in my opinion would demonstrate the open
principle of the OSGeo<br>
>>> European Chapter community:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * run a democratic election of the board
representatives within 6<br>
>>> months from the inception<br>
>>><br>
>>> * include all the OSGeo charter member that
express their willing as<br>
>>> "full" member (was charter member in OSGeo not
sure how "full member"<br>
>>> is in OSGeo-EU)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Maxi<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
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