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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>running two companies since many years now, I must say, that I do
not see any problem here. <br>
</p>
<p>Nothing will worsen with an OSGeo-EU, because bidding on the same
project might happen day for day among companies, although they
might both belong to our community and then step into competition
(which is often not a problem at all, as long as everybody keeps
being fair and does not dump prices).<br>
</p>
<p>If OSGeo-EU is not involved, in my eyes it is not up to OSGeo-EU
to mediate in this case, this is up to the people running these
companies.</p>
<p>IF OSGeo-EU gets involved in such a call, this must be clearly
stated early and mirror the interest of a majority of the OSGeo-EU
members.</p>
<p>I agree, we need a process for decision here, that allows to
decide without being driven by company interests only. And of
course then the consortium must be open for any member to join.<br>
</p>
<p>I also agree with Ian, that this OSGeo-EU offers a chance,
because with OSGeo-EU we create a platform for better coordination
of such issues.</p>
<p>Till<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.07.2017 um 06:33 schrieb Ian
Turton:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I can see two possibilities here, both groups bid
(as is the case now) or osgeo-eu helps the two groups to
coordinate their bids to produce a better chance of winning.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 Jul 2017 9:52 p.m., "Maria
Antonia Brovelli" <<a
href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
moz-do-not-send="true">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>>
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<div>Thanks Dirk, this gives more information to the
board. Please can you tell us what happens if and
when two different teams of people within OSGeo want
to answer the same call for an EU project? As we are
more or less working on the same topics it will happen
(is very probable) that we have 2 proposals which are
in competition. Who decide proposal A and not B or
proposal A and B? </div>
<div>For sure you already discussed because this can
create problems in the community. Do you reach a
consensus about that?</div>
<div>Have a good day!</div>
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<div>Maria </div>
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From: Dirk Frigne <<a
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>>
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Date: 26/07/2017 17:26 (GMT+01:00) <br>
To: <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>,
<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of
interest forming a European Chapter
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<div class="m_-5862043765919676565PlainText">Steven,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply.<br>
I forwarded the discussion to the eu-list, as I
think more people will<br>
read this than the board list. So more people
could be involved in the<br>
discussion.<br>
<br>
I think you made a good summary of an answer. If
OSGeo is involved in a<br>
H2020 project, it could ask for funding to promote
open source for Geo<br>
on the different dissimination actions of the
project. It also could<br>
provide money to support code sprints and the
travel costs involved.<br>
<br>
I think the most important element to involve
OSGeo in such projects is<br>
to promote the organisation in the European
projects, making it visible<br>
and giving it a platform to speak up.<br>
<br>
To be the prime contractor is another level I
think. And to obtain this<br>
we should have a good team that could run such a
project. In this case I<br>
think we should the right people to do this, and
of course the money<br>
could come from the project to support this.<br>
<br>
But to start with, I proposr to just focus on
bringing our name on the<br>
European agenda.<br>
<br>
I also think it is more important to act and go
forward in stead of<br>
discuss and stand still. If problems arise, they
will be discussed, as<br>
we do already more than 10 years.<br>
<br>
And by the way, for the H2020 project we are
involved in right now is<br>
the prime contractor the Flemish region. So not
only businesses,<br>
universities, but also NGO's and public
authorities can be part of it.<br>
This is i.m.h.o. a very interesting platform for
OSGeo to get involved<br>
in new software projects, and promote the use and
creation of (Geo) open<br>
source software.<br>
<br>
my2c<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
On 2017-07-26 16:08, Steven Feldman wrote:<br>
> I’m not involved in the thinking on applying
for H2020 or any other EU<br>
> opportunities so I am not going to try to
answer Maxi’s questions on<br>
> behalf of the prospective chapter.<br>
> <br>
> My thoughts:<br>
> <br>
> I think that we need to be flexible in
considering how we would organise<br>
> to respond to an opportunity, it may be a
consortium of European OSGeo<br>
> businesses (and universities) or it may be
that there is a case for<br>
> OSGeo Europe actually being the prime
contractor. I would expect each<br>
> opportunity to require a different approach.<br>
> <br>
> I don’t see why membership of the European
Chapter should be restricted<br>
> to charter members, AFAIK we don’t apply that
rule in any of our local<br>
> chapters (we certainly don’t in UK)<br>
> <br>
> We don’t need to have hard and fast rules or
to answer every question<br>
> before we get started.<br>
> ______<br>
> Steven<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On 26 Jul 2017, at 14:44, Maria Antonia
Brovelli<br>
>> <<a
href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>
<<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.<wbr>it</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Steven for your input. Please, can
you help also in answering<br>
>> the items pointed out by Maxi? <br>
>> One of the reasons of creating the Eu
Chaper is also to apply for Eu<br>
>> calls and therefore the questions seem to
me of interest. Maxi is also<br>
>> an enthusiastic chapter member and also
his opinion deserves attention. <br>
>> Thanks a lot for helping the Board in
considering all the facets and<br>
>> the different points of view. <br>
>> Best regards<br>
>> Maria<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my Samsung device<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>> From: Steven Feldman <<a
href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>
<<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> Date: 26/07/2017 11:36 (GMT+01:00)<br>
>> To: OSGeo Board <<a
href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><wbr>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official
expression of interest forming a<br>
>> European Chapter<br>
>><br>
>> I would encourage the board to allow the
European members who are<br>
>> enthusiastic about the formation of a
European Chapter to get started<br>
>> without trying to be too prescriptive or
to resolve possible issues or<br>
>> question before it arises.<br>
>><br>
>> Let’s harness enthusiasm to try new
things<br>
>> ______<br>
>> Steven<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On 26 Jul 2017, at 08:36, <a
href="mailto:board-request@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board-request@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:board-request@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:board-request@lists.<wbr>osgeo.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Message: 1<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:03:35 +0000<br>
>>> From: Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a
href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.<wbr>it</a>>><br>
>>> To: Massimiliano Cannata <<a
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:massimiliano.cannata@<wbr>supsi.ch</a>>>,
Dirk Frigne<br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>
<<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.<wbr>com</a>>>,
OSGeo<br>
>>> Discussions<br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.<wbr>org</a>>>,<br>
>>> "<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>>"
<<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>>>,<br>
>>> OSGeo Board <<a
href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><wbr>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official
expression of interest forming a<br>
>>> EuropeanChapter<br>
>>> Message-ID: <<a
href="mailto:5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010@email.android.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.<wbr>1501052432010@email.android.<wbr>com</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010@email.android.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:<wbr>5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.<wbr>1501052432010@email.android.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
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charset="utf-8"<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear Maxi<br>
>>> Well noted. We'll discuss about that
as well. This is a relevant<br>
>>> point. Thank you for suggesting
solutions.<br>
>>> Are there other comments by other
members?<br>
>>> Best regards<br>
>>> Maria<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my Samsung device<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>>> From: Massimiliano Cannata <<a
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:massimiliano.cannata@<wbr>supsi.ch</a>>><br>
>>> Date: 25/07/2017 14:13 (GMT+01:00)<br>
>>> To: Dirk Frigne <<a
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.<wbr>com</a>>>,
OSGeo Discussions<br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.<wbr>org</a>>>,
<a href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">eu@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:eu@lists.osgeo.org</a>>,
OSGeo Board <<a
href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> <<a
href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><wbr>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official
expression of interest forming a<br>
>>> European Chapter<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear European charter members and
OSGeo board,<br>
>>> I would like to express my support
for an OSGeo continental chapter<br>
>>> and provide my point of view, that
even if often considered<br>
>>> uncomfortable, hope will bring
discussion to improve.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I hope that before starting the
chapter:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * there is a clear and equitable rule
for using the OSGeo name in<br>
>>> European bids (see h2020 for example)
since this may be a competitive<br>
>>> advantage.<br>
>>> It is totally unclear to me how
OSGeo-EU would relate to H2020<br>
>>> projects for example:<br>
>>> - Will it participate as a partner in
any calls?<br>
>>> - How the selection of supported
project will be done?<br>
>>> - How, in case of funding, allocated
money will be distributed to<br>
>>> members?<br>
>>><br>
>>> * there is a defined and focused
coordination with local chapters<br>
>>> - synergies are needed to avoid
duplication of efforts and adoption<br>
>>> of a common action line.<br>
>>> - ideally I'd like to see a
hierarchical structure from international<br>
>>> to continental and national level
"chapters" but this is a matter for<br>
>>> the board..<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here some proposed actions,<br>
>>> that in my opinion would demonstrate
the open principle of the OSGeo<br>
>>> European Chapter community:<br>
>>><br>
>>> * run a democratic election of the
board representatives within 6<br>
>>> months from the inception<br>
>>><br>
>>> * include all the OSGeo charter
member that express their willing as<br>
>>> "full" member (was charter member in
OSGeo not sure how "full member"<br>
>>> is in OSGeo-EU)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Maxi<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
> <br>
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