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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No problem. I just wanted to clarify the
situation. As for the straw-horse RFC process, it sounds acceptable to me. I will
endeavor to use such a mechanism when developing new proposals from scratch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Birch<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 15, 2007
12:49 AM<br>
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Internals Mail List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [fdo-internals] FDO
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It's quite possible that I misrepresented your intentions in
that comment, and I apologize for that. I also agree that it would be
great to pick up additional developers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I don't think that this kind of reaction will happen once
the project's mojo is charged up and everything is communicated out
front. OTOH, I actually prefer straw-horse RFCs to having to
help design new features from scratch... Perhaps an informal
request-for-ideas phase would be something to think about though. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hmm. I've wandered off topic again...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
on behalf of Greg Boone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed 2007-03-14 9:16 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">FDO
Internals Mail List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [fdo-internals] FDO
Incubation Progress Reports</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Jason,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I welcome all feedback community members have
on the Python scripts. If there are developers that have concerns about
the usage of SWIG to generate the python scripts then I encourage them to join
the FDO community and work to make the implementation a better one. There is no
mandate to use SWIG so I am sure the existing FDO community would be open to
discussing other alternatives.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The python scripts were submitted using SWIG simply because
Autodesk had the script generation process sitting in house from a
pre-existing development effort and I figured it was a waste to have
them just sitting there not being used when we had no python support in
FDO at all. I felt it was better to throw it over the wall and
have the community shoot at it rather than keeping it locked up. I think it is
a useful mechanism to pull in other developers and get them interested in FDO.
Basically, all I had to do was re-package the script generation
process for open-source, integrate into the build process and submit. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Once again, the submission is not intended to be a </span></font><font
size=2 color="#364d22" face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#364D22'>fait-accomplis or intended to circumvent
community discussion. </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I encourage developers who are
interested to join the community and work to make FDO better. As I see it, this
would be a great opportunity to add a new developer to the community.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Greg</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of Jason Birch <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed 3/14/2007 8:03 PM <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">FDO
Internals Mail List</st1:PersonName> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [fdo-internals] FDO
Incubation Progress Reports</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If the
group can't come up with any other suggestions, I'd be happy to<br>
volunteer.<br>
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I'm starting to use FDO pretty heavily through MapGuide, Haris' awesome<br>
work, and eventually possibly on its own. I think it's important that<br>
the committee put in place some additional members, and that existing<br>
members are active on the mailing lists. FDO has been essentially<br>
dormant from a community perspective for too long, and I feel that this<br>
is hurting the project, and possibly even turning off the developers who<br>
_have_ chosen to participate heavily in this area. If FDO is run as a<br>
software product with too much command&control, then I have doubts about<br>
whether it will be able to achieve its full potential.<br>
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I'd also like to see some community outreach by FDO folks. In<br>
particular, some of the response to the initial Python support has been<br>
unfavourable, and the FDO project could definitely benefit by<br>
interacting with these community experts.<br>
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<a
href="http://www.jasonbirch.com/nodes/2007/03/14/67/pyfdo-is-in-the-house-yeah">http://www.jasonbirch.com/nodes/2007/03/14/67/pyfdo-is-in-the-house-yeah</a><br>
-baby/#comments<br>
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<a href="http://zcologia.com/news/400/fdo-and-python/#comments">http://zcologia.com/news/400/fdo-and-python/#comments</a><br>
<br>
Jason<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org<br>
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On Behalf Of Greg Boone<br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 13:06<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">FDO Internals Mail List</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: RE: [fdo-internals] FDO Incubation Progress Reports<br>
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If we vote Harris to the PSC then that would give us 6 PSC members. I<br>
believe it would be nice to have an odd number so that votes do not end<br>
in deadlock. Therefore I would suggest that we fill both open positions<br>
at the same time.<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
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