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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Tomass,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>thanks for answers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am very uncomfortable with this RFC. Perhaps I don’t understand
it well enough so I will ask many questions and try to understand motivation
for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In your previous answer you said that motivation is to not
rebuild FDO and providers because of one provider change. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think I understand your answer and motivation as it is written
in RFC but my concern was that doing that is not right thing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My main concern is that this RFC goes against one of the key
values of FDO: access different spatial data formats with one unified interface.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think unified and clear access to different data stores is far
more important than “fast” adding of new capability for one particular
provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I see this RFC as a path to start to write applications which are
tied to particular providers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would like to understand use case of it and would try to ask
with example.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If I see it correctly use case of this would be that we have application
build against let say FDO 3.4. Then we would like to add new capability to e.g.
SDF provider and then use that new capability in new build of application with same
“old” FDO 3.4 but with new version of provider .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Does this implies that we could have different flavors of FDO
3.4 or it would be 3.4.1 but just no need to add capability to other providers?
We would say it is FDO 3.4.1 because one provider have new capability ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think FDO capabilities “belongs” to FDO not to
providers. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As of discussion about new capabilities enumerators not coded anywhere
or use of strings. I also feel like it is wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How we would share those enumerations or strings between
providers ? It could end up that because some new capability is not supported
in all providers at same time that it will have different number in different
providers ? Having some list (or few of them) of codes for capabilities sounds
very odd too me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As of error handling: same result (</span>"isUnknown"
to true<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> ) would be for non existing capability as well as for wrong
type of it ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Again sounds like we could end up with different type reported from
different providers for same capability.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When writing FDO client application It would be wrong if we
would need to check at different lists to find codes for same capability and to
check it against all providers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You mentioned : “</span>certain unique mechanism in place
to avoid duplication”. This is yet to decide ?<span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry if I am little hard or long but this RFC seems very
important to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Haris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas
Knoell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FDO Internals Mail List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [fdo-internals] RFC 20 for review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Hi Harris,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Thanks for the comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>As for the motivation, currently
there is no way to add a new capability to FDO without the need to implement
that new capability in all providers that want to use the updated FDO code
base. The new interface concept provides the chance to actually do this as
capabilities can be added without changing FDO. As a result, only the provider
that wants to support the new capability needs to implement the support.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>As for the error handling, this
is documented in RFC 20. If a user calls a function - for example
GetBooleanCapability for a capability that returns an Int32 - the function
would set the flag "isUnknown" to true. It is up to the caller to
check this flag an react accordingly. For example, the caller could either use
a default value that is appropriate in this case or throw an exception. But
this is all up to the caller.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'> Thomas<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haris
Kurtagic<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FDO Internals Mail List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [fdo-internals] RFC 20 for review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think this is much more complicated way of exposing
capabilities rather than like it says in RFC simplifying.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am not sure about motivation for it. For example If
application is build with newer version of FDO core I would think that older
provider will not be used anyhow .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I can’t see reasons when application which is build for
use with one version of FDO libraries will use older providers. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also Isn’t it going to be a problem when application is
linked with one version of FDO core libraries and provider is like build with
another. With current dll naming it is not possible I think ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I couldn’t find in RFC error handling for case when
function of wrong type of capability is executed for existing capability ( e.g.
Call </span><span lang=EN style='color:black'>GetBooleanCapability for Int32 )
?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Haris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:fdo-internals-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas
Knoell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> fdo-internals@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [fdo-internals] RFC 20 for review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>RFC 20 (<a href="http://trac.osgeo.org/fdo/wiki/FDORfc20">http://trac.osgeo.org/fdo/wiki/FDORfc20</a>)
has been posted. It proposes a simplification of the FDO capability interfaces.
Please review the RFC and let me know of any questions and suggestions you may
have. The review deadline is set for end of day July 18<sup>th. </sup> It
is intended to request a vote on the RFC afterwards.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> Thomas<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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