<div dir="ltr">Hi Brad, thanks again for helping us work towards clarity on the Child Friendly Conference policy. We've taken your advice on board, and modified the text a bit.<div><br></div><div>For the avoidance of doubt, we certainly expect parents to be responsible for making sure their children are supervised at all times, and we don't expect attendees to be responsible for anything they're not comfortable with. I hope the policy now makes that a bit clearer.<div><br></div><div>Appreciate your input!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>John</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 08:05, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Brad, this is good feedback, thank you.</p>
<p>I agree with you point that it should be clear that parents are
to be responsible for their children.</p>
<p>I've suggested alternative wording (using track changes) in our
source document here:<br>
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<p><a class="m_-2433135962221172632moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q_S01zTDMP1TUpLQQo3O0wmnP1UmcvW3mPSORn4h9uc/edit#" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q_S01zTDMP1TUpLQQo3O0wmnP1UmcvW3mPSORn4h9uc/edit#</a></p>
<p>Feel free to do likewise and add comments or alternative wording,
preferably when you are logged in so we know who has suggested
what.</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div class="m_-2433135962221172632moz-cite-prefix">On 9/09/2018 8:47 PM, John Bryant
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Brad, thanks for that. We're trying something
that's new, as far as we're aware, so we appreciate your
feedback.
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<div>We expect parents to be responsible for looking after their
children at the conference, and we're providing some means to
help them do so. We hope that other attendees will be helpful,
but we're aware we can't expect everyone to be comfortable
with this. Rest assured, we definitely don't expect you to be
looking after other people's kids.</div>
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</div>
<div>We are asking for what we consider to be a reasonable
amount of tolerance for the presence of children, which I hope
is within the realm of community expectations. What we're
trying to do is create an environment where people who don't
have the option of leaving children at home can choose to
attend, and trying to articulate the expectations so there is
a reasonable level of tolerance. The idea here is that it will
enable a fully diverse audience, reflecting our professional
community, to attend.</div>
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<div>We'll take another look at the policy, and see if there is
anything we need to do to clarify.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>John</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 19:58, <<a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net" target="_blank">bradh@frogmouth.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I note the
approval of <a href="https://foss4g-oceania.org/child-friendly-conference" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://foss4g-oceania.org/child-friendly-conference</a>
in the minutes. Will you take patches on that policy?<br>
<br>
I’m particularly concerned about this part:<br>
In kind, we request that everyone:<br>
• Be patient with children. They are our future leaders and
learn by modelling what we do.<br>
• Be patient with parents. Children are not robots and don’t
have ‘quiet now’ buttons.<br>
• Leave seats near exits free, for use by parents and children
(see above - they may need to make quick exits)<br>
• Assist. If you see a child looking lost or distressed, get
down to their level and ask them how you can help. Find a
conference volunteer to hand over to.<br>
• Remember parents are doing the best they can. At the
conference, if you have issues with children or parents,
please contact the diversity team (as per the Code of
Conduct).<br>
<br>
I don’t think the second last point is reasonable. I’m not
going to the conference to look after other people’s children
– I’m not comfortable doing so, and I don't consider it my
responsibility to do so in any case.<br>
Will you take amendments to make that "if you feel comfortable
in doing so"?<br>
<br>
The second point can also be interpreted such that parents do
not need to control their children. The request that parents
"Be aware of the needs of other conference attendees, who have
also paid to turn up and hear people speak." is fairly weak
(and doesn't actually require parents to do anything, while
everyone else has to tolerate the child). <br>
Will you take amendments to make parents responsible for
controlling their children and mitigating the effect that
those children have on other conference attendees?<br>
<br>
Brad<br>
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