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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I am with you here Adam, but hey.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Re AV – we should be able to secure this from the Uni. What do we need?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">FOSS4G-Oceania <foss4g-oceania-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of adam steer <adam.d.steer@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 7 September 2018 at 4:29 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Alex Leith <alexgleith@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>foss4g-oceania <foss4g-oceania@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FOSS4G-Oceania] Motion: extended, targeted call for papers if needed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see the idea of a second CFP is not supported. I agree that it would have been a lot better if we’d run it *before* any community vote; and delayed the community vote accordingly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t think we’ve done our best, we’ve done a bunch of stuff that fits within our (predominantly white male) comfort zone and then got out our excuse book ( ‘5 years ago there were X’; ’some paper which can be ripped apart easily says
women are not interested’; ‘we can’t upset anyone/its unfair' ).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having just returned from a conference where the organisers deliberately prioritised their diversity goals over upsetting a few applecarts (they did annoy people) - but was among the biggest FOSS4G’s ever (maybe bigger than boston!), and
definitely one of the funnest and most interesting - I think there’s merit in breaking some old conventions from time to time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Allright, back to logistics and getting stuff done. Sponsors to e-mail, AV hire to investigate...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 11:54, Alex Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm in agreement with what Daniel said too. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we're done our best. While we may not have achieved everything we hoped for, we do have an awesome selection of presentations from diverse locations (based on titles and abstracts) and enough gender diversity.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We've made sure that keynotes are gender diverse, and we'll do the same with the panelists.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we just need to look forwards, and keep doing our best. That's enough.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 11:48 Andrew Harvey <<a href="mailto:andrew@alantgeo.com.au" target="_blank">andrew@alantgeo.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 7 Sep 2018, at 11:31 AM, Daniel Silk wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM adam steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think Sarah has some great points. We can be brave and say ‘well, we didn’t get what we expect, so we have N slots available for a round 2 CFP, which is open only for women’<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't see Sarah's email, I guess it didn't come through to the list?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The strategy we would employ is this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Open a second call for papers, be open about our failure to attract a speaker cohort that reflects the community in the first round. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alyssa Wright's talk at State of the Map 2013 noted that:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - 3% of contributions to OpenStreetMap are by women<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - 1% of participants in open source communities are women<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do the women on this list feel about being focussed on as per a specific CFP and community vote?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">**We could further restrict the vote to women - talks by women, for women? Why not? effectively we arguably right now have talks by men for men :D<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We've taken a similar approach to <a href="https://geekfeminism.org/2012/05/21/how-i-got-50-women-speakers-at-my-tech-conference/" target="_blank">https://geekfeminism.org/2012/05/21/how-i-got-50-women-speakers-at-my-tech-conference/</a> and <a href="https://2012.jsconf.eu/2012/09/17/beating-the-odds-how-we-got-25-percent-women-speakers.html" target="_blank">https://2012.jsconf.eu/2012/09/17/beating-the-odds-how-we-got-25-percent-women-speakers.html</a>
and <a href="http://conference.hopper.org.nz/#selection" target="_blank">http://conference.hopper.org.nz/#selection</a> and <a href="https://hbr.org/2014/01/theres-no-excuse-for-all-white-male-panels" target="_blank">https://hbr.org/2014/01/theres-no-excuse-for-all-white-male-panels</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And a lot of these resources + about commentary on Twitter etc is pretty explicit about this point:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think these proposals are going waaay down this route.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There's obviously a need here to do better within this community on a daily basis, not just a one off effort in trying to achieve a diverse speaker line-up for a conference.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 to all these points.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm -1 to extending the CFP to one specific demographic. If it's extended I think it should be non-discriminatory.<o:p></o:p></p>
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