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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">+1 from me, on all counts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Re academic track – we have only one submission, and we can complete this fast. We are also exploring whether the author will not prefer to keep it as a standard talk. See an forthcoming email form me soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">FOSS4G-Oceania <foss4g-oceania-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of adam steer <adam.d.steer@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 7 September 2018 at 11:24 am<br>
<b>To: </b>John Bryant <johnwbryant@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>foss4g-oceania <foss4g-oceania@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FOSS4G-Oceania] Motion: extended, targeted call for papers if needed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">just looking at the timeline, a 2 week CFP and 1 week review would mean finalising the general program and the academic track at about the same time.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 10:26, adam steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think Sarah has some great points. We can be brave and say ‘well, we didn’t get what we expect, so we have N slots available for a round 2 CFP, which is open only for women’
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<p class="MsoNormal">The strategy we would employ is this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Open a second call for papers, be open about our failure to attract a speaker cohort that reflects the community in the first round. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- As Sarah suggested, specify how many speaker slots we would make available for this round<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- As Sarah suggested, make first round community results available at the same time to inform second round voters**<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How would we mitigate against delays? Squish everything a bit timewise. I mean the community voting round is really long - we could examine first week results and see what our mix would be if we made a call based purely on that. And the
second vote needs only be a week long.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we acted *now*, we’d be able to reduce time delays to a few days or a week, which is OK in my mind.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do the women on this list feel about being focussed on as per a specific CFP and community vote?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">**We could further restrict the vote to women - talks by women, for women? Why not? effectively we arguably right now have talks by men for men :D<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, it’s unfair. It’s also unfair to not be able to walk the streets of Dar Es Salaam (or any city) safely on your own; it’s unfair to be told what you’re interested in; and many other things. Forum panels etc are great - but talking is
one thing; and we need to *do*.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 08:10, John Bryant <<a href="mailto:johnwbryant@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnwbryant@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, I don't want to just drop this topic, but I'm not seeing a clear & actionable motion out of this. Adam, I understand you're pushing for an extended CFP, but I think we need more clarity on exactly what actions are being proposed, and
how they could result in a different outcome than what we already have. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Before I personally vote for such an action, I'd want to know what strategies we'd be employing, beyond what we've already done, to strive for a better outcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A separate community vote is easy to set up, but I don't think I'm in favour, I feel it draws a lot of attention to a very small number of people who might be uncomfortable being identified as a special group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, there are timelines in place (for selections, publishing program, etc), changing them has knock-on effects, I'm not opposed to adjusting but a motion to produce an extended CFP will require us to take a look at these.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adam Steer<br>
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