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<p>I acknowledge Martin's valid points, but am still +1 for John's
proposal based on reasons already stated in this thread.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/9/18 12:19 pm, Martin Tomko
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thank you all. Just to
make clear – I am reather supportive of others using the
logo, as long as we make sure no irreversible damage is
done, and the playing field is open to all transparently.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Some examples from
googling around:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="http://www.placonference.org/conference-logo/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.placonference.org/conference-logo/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.aucd.org/conference/index.cfm/conference-logo-guidelines2015"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.aucd.org/conference/index.cfm/conference-logo-guidelines2015</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">and our parent series:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Logo"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Logo</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">and other wordings such
as:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.python.org/community/logos/">https://www.python.org/community/logos/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-GB">“</span><span
style="font-size:19.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3776AB;font-weight:normal">T-shirts
and other Merchandise<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
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<span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">Python
T-Shirts and other merchandise featuring the Python logo can
be purchased at <a href="http://www.cafepress.com/pydotorg"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#3776AB">Cafepress</span></a> (sales
benefit the <a href="https://www.python.org/psf"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#3776AB">Python
Software Foundation</span></a>). Making your own shirts
is OK too, but please seek permission from the PSF if you
are planning to sell merchandise that shows the Python logo.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/pycon/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/pycon/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.europython-society.org/trademarks"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.europython-society.org/trademarks</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">FOSS4G-Oceania
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:foss4g-oceania-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><foss4g-oceania-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a> on behalf
of Greg Lauer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregory.lauer@gmail.com"><gregory.lauer@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 24 September 2018 at 12:06 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Alex Leith <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com"><alexgleith@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>foss4g-oceania
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:foss4g-oceania@lists.osgeo.org"><foss4g-oceania@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FOSS4G-Oceania] Motion: logo
permission<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Martins points are very valid <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I still think in this instance it is
appropriate to grant permission as per Johns proposal<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said I think the points raised
should form part of post conference debrief (as will other
things such as the TGP) and form part of the next
conference brief.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Alex
Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the points that Martin is
raising are important, and there are a lot of things
like the logo copyright question that we really should
handle formally.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But, we are a small group of
volunteers, and we need to be pragmatic!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we have achieved a good
balance with John's motion here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 09:51 John
Bryant <<a href="mailto:johnwbryant@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">johnwbryant@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Apologies for rushing this - fair
point that we should respect work/life balance. My
keenness to keep moving is motivated by a sense of a
growing amount of work, and a shrinking amount of
time. Let's extend the discussion here, and re-frame
the motion if needed. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Generally speaking, I have no
problem with the idea of adding a licence to the
use of the logo, but formalising a decision
process, with a licence, publicly stated position,
etc is a major task. I'm concerned about the
possibility of this falling by the wayside, if no
one steps up to do the work. I argue that this is
a great medium-term governance objective (similar
to establishing a steering committee), but with 57
days to go, we need to be judicious about adding
immediate things to our TODO list, there is much
to do.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Yet at the same time, we cannot cease to act. The
motion at hand doesn't address all of Martin's
points, but it's presented in the spirit of
compromise. Is there another way we can
practically achieve this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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