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    <p>Alex, I put forward a presentation topic on diversity which I
      assume was put to the community to vote up/down. It would be
      interested to see where the community ranked it. (Don't worry
      about hurting my feelings - I'm totally ok if it was ranked very
      low).</p>
    <p>If it was ranked low, then it is a good indication that John's
      concern is right, and that people would prefer hearing OSGeo
      topics than Diversity topics at our conference.</p>
    <p>I think that dealing with this topic requires much deeper
      discussion than can be covered in a 30 minute plenary, which by
      definition limit's each person's contribution to mere minutes.</p>
    <p>The "diversity" topic lead to very strong opinions, and then to
      very personal accusations, and hence requires quite a bit of trust
      to work well. A room of 200+ people is not the right place to test
      trust.</p>
    <p>Maybe select a topic which is less threatening, like</p>
    <p>"What future would we like to see for OSGeo within Oceania within
      the years to decade?"</p>
    <p>This is broader, less threatening, can touch on diversity, but
      also cover community building in other ways, and hopefully will be
      something that everyone in the room could feel connected to.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/10/18 2:56 pm, John Bryant wrote:<br>
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        <div>I have some concern about reaching the audience. The cited
          Atlassian report says:</div>
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              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>People are tired of
                talking about diversity and inclusion, frustrated by
                talk not turning into impactful action, and overwhelmed
                by the number of issues.</i></blockquote>
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        <div>We've scheduled the panel session as a plenary, so there's
          no other programming at that time. If the topic isn't of
          interest to a large part of our audience, they might feel let
          down that a significant part of the program isn't for them.<br>
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        <div>I'm not suggesting we should try to be all things to all
          people, we'll never make everyone happy, and that's OK. But if
          a large part of the audience doesn't show up to the panel
          discussion, that feels like a problem.</div>
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        <div>Or, from a more constructive angle, how can we frame this
          topic so that we can ignite interest?</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 13:42, Alex Leith <<a
            href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Adam, I think you're on the money there.
            <div><br>
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            <div>What I'm proposing is to have that discussion at our
              event. To be a bit more exciting than just 'what the
              future of tech' or 'lets look at ourselves'. It's about
              talking about the community and how we can improve it.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I think we set the panel up so that it DOES have the
              people on it who need to discuss it. I think we open up to
              the floor and encourage the difficult questions. And I
              think we can have an impact.</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 13:13 adam steer <<a
                href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">to add another perspective - we get to do
                something audacious here - and set the tone for how we
                roll as a community for years to come. What can the open
                community pull off that can’t be done in industry
                conferences? where can we lead the discussion?
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>what really strikes to our hearts about what we
                  want the open geo community to look like? how should
                  it flower/mature/fruit? this
                  first-event-in-a-long-time might be a once in a decade
                  shot at exploring some hard issues there.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Yes, we can do it again next year and the year
                  after and so on - but by then there is momentum and
                  expectation. Right *now* I see a chance to be
                  outrageous in our ambitions/direction
                  setting/discussion...</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Cheers</div>
              </div>
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>Adam</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 11:49, adam steer
                  <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Hi Alex
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                    <div>Based on a discussion in the program committee
                      (thanks Emma Hain) I think a panel discussion on
                      ’strength in diversity' might not reach the
                      audience who *needs* to hear it. It also might not
                      get the people on the panel we really *need* to
                      discuss the topic.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>This sounds weird from someone who has pushed
                      really hard on diversity and inclusion topics,
                      right? Bear with me… and also caution - some of
                      these thoughts really need more developing.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I took a lot from a talk titled ‘Open
                      communities - we love to hate’ in Dar Es Salaam -
                      by Steven Feldman. It struck me that, in order to
                      really discuss diversity we need to look at it in
                      a ground up way. What are the things about our
                      community that make it approachable or not? Why,
                      where and how can the open source community lead?
                      What can we do better?</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Again, in the program committee I proposed
                      ‘what does community mean in the open geo-space?’;
                      and the more abstract ’spatial futures..’ - from
                      my view, they let us as a community explore
                      diversity and inclusion as fundamental components
                      of what we do. We can certainly head into
                      controversial territory, I would expect the
                      session chair to take the conversation there, and
                      the panelists to expect some really curly topics
                      :D</div>
                    <div> </div>
                    <div>What do you all think?  We need to talk about
                      diversity and inclusion, and keep talking about it
                      ad nauseum, especially if we are old-ish blokes
                      talking to other old-ish blokes and challenging
                      some old ideas.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Cheers</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Adam</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 10:18, Alex
                      Leith <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hey Folks
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                        <div>It is now time to get stuck into the
                          details of the panel session.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Three things need to happen:</div>
                        <div>
                          <ol>
                            <li>Establish a topic</li>
                            <li>Find a moderator</li>
                            <li>Bring together 4-6 panelists.</li>
                          </ol>
                          <div>As you may be aware, I'm very
                            enthusiastic about running the topic on
                            Diversity and Inclusion. The reason I want
                            to do a topic on D&I is that it's
                            something that everyone is talking about
                            now, and it's particularly important in the
                            spatial industry. Gaby, the past president
                            of SSSI, <a
href="https://sssi.org.au/knowledge-hub/president-s-message/president-s-message-september-2018"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pointed
                              out recently</a> that our industry has
                            gone backwards, in terms of female
                            representation. Atlassian are doing great
                            things in this space, and their latest
                            effort has rebranded to '<a
                              href="https://www.atlassian.com/diversity"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Balance
                              and Belonging</a>'. And we know that <a
href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-takes-a-break-from-linux/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">some
                              of the stalwarts</a> in the open source
                            community are recognising the need for
                            change.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Really, in brief, I think the topic
                            should be 'Strength in Diversity' and that
                            we should talk abut the human aspects of our
                            community. I think it will be a very
                            interesting discussion, and perhaps
                            controversial in places, and I think that
                            this is exactly what we need in order to
                            make our even stand out from others. I think
                            that by taking a bit of a risk, and being
                            open to discussing difficult issues, we can
                            make sure that voices are heard and that we
                            can have an impact (even if it's modest).</div>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Ok, so, how do we feel about the suggested
                          topic here?</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>And if you have an alternative, now's the
                          time to raise it.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Once we have a topic, we can pick a
                          moderator and start forming the panel.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Cheers,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Alex</div>
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                          Alex Leith
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                      <div>Adam Steer<br>
                        <a
                          href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer</a><br>
                        <a href="http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer</a></div>
                      <div><a
                          href="http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236</a><br>
                        <a href="tel:+61%20427%20091%20712"
                          value="+61427091712" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">+61 427 091 712</a><br>
                        skype: adam.d.steer</div>
                      <div>tweet: @adamdsteer</div>
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                  <div>Adam Steer<br>
                    <a
                      href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer</a><br>
                    <a href="http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer</a></div>
                  <div><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236</a><br>
                    <a href="tel:+61%20427%20091%20712"
                      value="+61427091712" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">+61 427 091 712</a><br>
                    skype: adam.d.steer</div>
                  <div>tweet: @adamdsteer</div>
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              Alex Leith
              <div>0419 189 050</div>
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