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    <p>I'm luke-warm re putting too much emphasis on surveys.</p>
    <p>Will the community feel like they are adding significant value to
      our decision making based on the effort they need to commit? If
      not, we are at risk of being a burden to the community rather than
      empowering them, and you will likely end up with a low voter turn
      out rate. (I was disappointed by the level of post conference
      engagement I got from attendees after foss4g 2009 compared to
      pre-conference engagement).<br>
    </p>
    <p>Making a good decision about a conference venue requires a
      reasonable time commitment to consider a large number of factors.
      Ideally you only burden a few trustworthy people to take on the
      role (such as our conference committee).</p>
    <p>I said something similar on the international foss4g conference
      committee email list a while back:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-October/004976.html">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-October/004976.html</a><br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/11/18 6:55 pm, Alex Leith wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Great idea, David. We should set up a survey to go
        out in the week following the conference, for sure. Evaluation
        is key.</div>
      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 18:27 David Dean <<a
            href="mailto:ddean@ieee.org" moz-do-not-send="true">ddean@ieee.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Further to Andrew's point and the other
            discussions here:
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>We should put this question to the conference attendees
              (announce it at the opening, and give a report on answers
              so far at the closing)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>1. Should we do a conference next year?</div>
            <div>2. Where should we do it?</div>
            <div>3. Should we keep FOSS4G and SoTM together?</div>
            <div>4. Should we come up with a better name?</div>
            <div>5. Whatever else comes to mind.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>By harvesting names and emails from Q2 in particular we
              might be able to get some good people who are interested
              in having (and maybe even hosting) the next event in their
              area.</div>
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            <div><br>
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            <div>- David</div>
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          <br>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 18:21 Andrew Harvey
              <<a href="mailto:andrew@alantgeo.com.au"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">andrew@alantgeo.com.au</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div>Tangential to this, I think after the conference we
                  should evaluate how well being a joint FOSS4G SotM has
                  worked out as opposed to standalone events.<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I assume there are some attendees only interested
                  in FOSS4G, others only interested in SotM and others
                  interested in both.<br>
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                <div><br>
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                <div>Our sponsors, program, community day (and hopefully
                  attendees) are representative of both camps so I think
                  the committee has done a great job balancing this, but
                  if we are going to put out a post conference survey
                  hopefully we could try to find out from attendees how
                  well they thought the joint nature of the conference
                  worked.<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>It's a huge effort to organise a conference though
                  and given the two overlap there's a big incentive to
                  continue this way.<br>
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                <div><br>
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                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, at 5:50 PM, David Dean wrote:<br>
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                  <div>+1 and it would be great to see the next
                    conference in NZ or the Pacific islands, and try to
                    keep Australia to every second year.<br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>David<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div dir="ltr">On Fri., 2 Nov. 2018, 17:14 Alex
                        Leith, <<a href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div>+1 from me<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>And I’m keen to have some role on the next
                          committee for sure 🙂<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Let’s see those proposals!<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 2:37 pm,
                            adam steer <<a
                              href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
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                                <div>Hi all<br>
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                                <div>+1 to Cameron's suggestions.<br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>...and also pre-volunteering to
                                  join an organising committee if
                                  they're happy to have me :)<br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>Only one request: please keep
                                    letters of intent absolutely on
                                    point, the committee are flat out!<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Cheers<br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>Adam<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>--<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Dr. Adam Steer<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><a
                                        href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer</a><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><a
                                        href="http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer</a><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><a
                                        href="http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236</a><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><a href="tel:0427%20091%20712"
                                        value="+61427091712"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">+61 427
                                        091 712</a><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>skype: adam.d.steer<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>tweet: @adamdsteer<br>
                                    </div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">On Fri., 2 Nov. 2018,
                                    14:18 Cameron Shorter <<a
                                      href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <p>And here are my thoughts:<br>
                                      </p>
                                      <p>+1 for running FOSS4G-Oceania
                                        in 2019<br>
                                      </p>
                                      <div>I think there are two core
                                        factors which are setting up
                                        FOSS4G Oceania to be successful
                                        this year:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> 1. The University of
                                        Melbourne has provided a free
                                        venue, which has significantly
                                        minimised attendance costs.<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> 2. We have had a large, very
                                        engaged organising committee,
                                        led by a very active chair
                                        (thanks John).<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <p>In selecting a future venue,
                                        I'd be hopeful that these two
                                        criteria are considered.<br>
                                      </p>
                                      <div>With regards to who should
                                        decide:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> * We haven't defined a
                                        decision making process or
                                        decided decision makers for
                                        selecting future event venues.<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> * But, I've seen our
                                        existing FOSS4G committee to be
                                        committed, ethical, and
                                        competent. I'd suggest selecting
                                        our next venue should be
                                        delegated to this committee, and
                                        we can refine the process for
                                        future years.<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <p>I'd suggest that people wishing
                                        to propose a venue for foss4g
                                        2019 discuss their ideas on this
                                        email list, paying particular
                                        attention to the two points
                                        above.<br>
                                      </p>
                                      <p>I'd think an initial proposal
                                        should be of similar depth to
                                        the international FOSS4G "Letter
                                        of Intent" stage, with the
                                        FOSS4G international list of
                                        questions being used as a
                                        something to consider. <a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process#Letters_of_Intent"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process#Letters_of_Intent</a><br>
                                      </p>
                                      <p><i>“Letters of Intent" are
                                          limited to a maximum of two
                                          (2) pages, and should answer
                                          the following questions:</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>1. Who is your conference
                                          chair?</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>2. Who else is on your
                                          local organizing committee
                                          (LOC)?</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>3. What is the experience
                                          of your committee members with
                                          similar events?</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>4. What is your proposed
                                          venue? (include access to
                                          Internet, room sizes, maximum
                                          attendees)</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>5. What are your
                                          provisional dates for the
                                          conference?</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>6. Early thoughts on
                                          prices of conference
                                          attendance? (indicative
                                          estimates)</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>7. What is the price
                                          range and general location of
                                          your proposed accommodations
                                          and how is the</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>price-level in your area
                                          in general (e.g. costs for
                                          food, drinks)</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>8. Are you partnering
                                          with other local
                                          organizations?</i><i><br>
                                        </i><i>9. What makes FOSS4G in
                                          your proposed location and
                                          with your team compelling?</i></p>
                                      <p><br>
                                      </p>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>On 2/11/18 2:14 pm, Cameron
                                        Shorter wrote:<br>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div>Our FOSS4G-Oceania
                                          conference is shaping up to be
                                          much bigger than originally
                                          planned. We have attracted
                                          significantly more sponsors,
                                          attendees, and committee
                                          members than originally
                                          anticipated. <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> So the question raised at
                                          today's committee meeting is:
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> * Should we hold this
                                          event again next year? <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> * If so, where should we
                                          hold it? <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> * And how should we go
                                          about deciding?" <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> It would be a bonus if we
                                          could announce next years
                                          FOSS4G-Oceania event as we
                                          close this year, which doesn't
                                          leave much time. Within this
                                          email thread I suggest we
                                          discuss these and related
                                          questions. <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
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                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <pre>-- 
Cameron Shorter
Technology Demystifier
Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant

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                                    <div>_______________________________________________<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> <a
                                        href="mailto:FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> <a
                                        href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania</a><br>
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                            </div>
                            <div>_______________________________________________<br>
                            </div>
                            <div> FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list<br>
                            </div>
                            <div> <a
                                href="mailto:FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                            </div>
                            <div> <a
                                href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania</a><br>
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                        </div>
                        <div>-- <br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Alex Leith<br>
                            </div>
                            <div><a href="tel:0419%20189%20050"
                                value="+61419189050" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">0419 189 050</a><br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>_______________________________________________<br>
                        </div>
                        <div> FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list<br>
                        </div>
                        <div> <a
                            href="mailto:FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div> <a
                            href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania</a><br>
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                  <div><u>_______________________________________________</u><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list<br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href="mailto:FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
                      href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania</a><br>
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                <div><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              _______________________________________________<br>
              FOSS4G-Oceania mailing list<br>
              <a href="mailto:FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">FOSS4G-Oceania@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
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