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<p>Sorry, I forgot to reply to Alex.</p>
<p>Yes Alex, we should certainly put out a survey, post conference,
especially for questions that are easy to answer such as "quality
of catering". However, my main message is that difficult
decisions, like analysing the feasibility of particular conference
venue proposals are not suited for casual tickbox surveys, but
rather require deeper analysis (as we have been applying within
this committee). <br>
</p>
<p>+1 to Adam's suggestion of backing a letter of intent.<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/11/18 9:08 am, adam steer wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all
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<div>With two weeks to go - I’ll suggest we take a
data-informed approach rather than a data-driven approach.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We also need feedback - and we should collect some and
use it. However, I don’t think we should wait until we get
survey data back before making a decision and committing to
doing *something* next year, and if anyone has the energy to
push in a letter of intent now, I reckon that’s decent
evidence that there’s sufficient momentum.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 20:20, Alex Leith <<a
href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We do need feedback on what we did well vs what
we could improve. Feedback on venue, catering,
presentations, keynotes ... etc. is very important.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 19:48 Cameron Shorter
<<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>I'm luke-warm re putting too much emphasis on
surveys.</p>
<p>Will the community feel like they are adding
significant value to our decision making based on the
effort they need to commit? If not, we are at risk of
being a burden to the community rather than empowering
them, and you will likely end up with a low voter turn
out rate. (I was disappointed by the level of post
conference engagement I got from attendees after
foss4g 2009 compared to pre-conference engagement).<br>
</p>
<p>Making a good decision about a conference venue
requires a reasonable time commitment to consider a
large number of factors. Ideally you only burden a few
trustworthy people to take on the role (such as our
conference committee).</p>
<p>I said something similar on the international foss4g
conference committee email list a while back:</p>
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2/11/18 6:55 pm, Alex Leith wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Great idea, David. We should set up a
survey to go out in the week following the
conference, for sure. Evaluation is key.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 18:27 David
Dean <<a href="mailto:ddean@ieee.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ddean@ieee.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Further to Andrew's point and the
other discussions here:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We should put this question to the
conference attendees (announce it at the
opening, and give a report on answers so far
at the closing)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. Should we do a conference next year?</div>
<div>2. Where should we do it?</div>
<div>3. Should we keep FOSS4G and SoTM together?</div>
<div>4. Should we come up with a better name?</div>
<div>5. Whatever else comes to mind.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>By harvesting names and emails from Q2 in
particular we might be able to get some good
people who are interested in having (and maybe
even hosting) the next event in their area.</div>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>- David</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 18:21
Andrew Harvey <<a
href="mailto:andrew@alantgeo.com.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">andrew@alantgeo.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Tangential to this, I think after the
conference we should evaluate how well
being a joint FOSS4G SotM has worked out
as opposed to standalone events.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I assume there are some attendees only
interested in FOSS4G, others only
interested in SotM and others interested
in both.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Our sponsors, program, community day
(and hopefully attendees) are
representative of both camps so I think
the committee has done a great job
balancing this, but if we are going to put
out a post conference survey hopefully we
could try to find out from attendees how
well they thought the joint nature of the
conference worked.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It's a huge effort to organise a
conference though and given the two
overlap there's a big incentive to
continue this way.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, at 5:50 PM, David
Dean wrote:<br>
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<div>+1 and it would be great to see the
next conference in NZ or the Pacific
islands, and try to keep Australia to
every second year.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>David<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Fri., 2 Nov. 2018,
17:14 Alex Leith, <<a
href="mailto:alexgleith@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexgleith@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>+1 from me<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And I’m keen to have some role
on the next committee for sure 🙂<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let’s see those proposals!<br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Nov 2018
at 2:37 pm, adam steer <<a
href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>+1 to Cameron's
suggestions.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...and also
pre-volunteering to join
an organising committee if
they're happy to have me
:)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Only one request:
please keep letters of
intent absolutely on
point, the committee are
flat out!<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Adam<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri., 2
Nov. 2018, 14:18 Cameron
Shorter <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<p>And here are my
thoughts:<br>
</p>
<p>+1 for running
FOSS4G-Oceania in
2019<br>
</p>
<div>I think there are
two core factors
which are setting up
FOSS4G Oceania to be
successful this
year:<br>
</div>
<div> 1. The
University of
Melbourne has
provided a free
venue, which has
significantly
minimised attendance
costs.<br>
</div>
<div> 2. We have had a
large, very engaged
organising
committee, led by a
very active chair
(thanks John).<br>
</div>
<p>In selecting a
future venue, I'd be
hopeful that these
two criteria are
considered.<br>
</p>
<div>With regards to
who should decide:<br>
</div>
<div> * We haven't
defined a decision
making process or
decided decision
makers for selecting
future event venues.<br>
</div>
<div> * But, I've seen
our existing FOSS4G
committee to be
committed, ethical,
and competent. I'd
suggest selecting
our next venue
should be delegated
to this committee,
and we can refine
the process for
future years.<br>
</div>
<p>I'd suggest that
people wishing to
propose a venue for
foss4g 2019 discuss
their ideas on this
email list, paying
particular attention
to the two points
above.<br>
</p>
<p>I'd think an
initial proposal
should be of similar
depth to the
international FOSS4G
"Letter of Intent"
stage, with the
FOSS4G international
list of questions
being used as a
something to
consider. <a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process#Letters_of_Intent"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process#Letters_of_Intent</a><br>
</p>
<p><i>“Letters of
Intent" are
limited to a
maximum of two (2)
pages, and should
answer the
following
questions:</i><i><br>
</i><i>1. Who is
your conference
chair?</i><i><br>
</i><i>2. Who else
is on your local
organizing
committee (LOC)?</i><i><br>
</i><i>3. What is
the experience of
your committee
members with
similar events?</i><i><br>
</i><i>4. What is
your proposed
venue? (include
access to
Internet, room
sizes, maximum
attendees)</i><i><br>
</i><i>5. What are
your provisional
dates for the
conference?</i><i><br>
</i><i>6. Early
thoughts on prices
of conference
attendance?
(indicative
estimates)</i><i><br>
</i><i>7. What is
the price range
and general
location of your
proposed
accommodations and
how is the</i><i><br>
</i><i>price-level
in your area in
general (e.g.
costs for food,
drinks)</i><i><br>
</i><i>8. Are you
partnering with
other local
organizations?</i><i><br>
</i><i>9. What makes
FOSS4G in your
proposed location
and with your team
compelling?</i></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On 2/11/18 2:14
pm, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
</div>
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type="cite">
<div>Our
FOSS4G-Oceania
conference is
shaping up to be
much bigger than
originally
planned. We have
attracted
significantly more
sponsors,
attendees, and
committee members
than originally
anticipated. <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> So the
question raised at
today's committee
meeting is: <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> * Should we
hold this event
again next year? <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> * If so, where
should we hold it?
<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> * And how
should we go about
deciding?" <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> It would be a
bonus if we could
announce next
years
FOSS4G-Oceania
event as we close
this year, which
doesn't leave much
time. Within this
email thread I
suggest we discuss
these and related
questions. <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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Cameron Shorter
Technology Demystifier
Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
M +61 (0) 419 142 254</pre>
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