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Hi<BR>
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For those that were not at the GISSA 2007 meeting in Durban I would like to provide some insight into the current understanding and interaction with FOSS in the GIS community in SA.<BR>
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Firstly there seems to be a huge misunderstanding of what FOSS is and that you can actually do GIS in something that is free is mind-boggling. Secondly the support had to be rallied for supporting FOSS4G2008, since there seem to be lack of understanding on how big this thing really is in the real world. The informal message was also that why should they replace what they have and therefore a lot of people don't understand the synergy of FOSS and proprietory software. <BR>
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I further believe that once various institutions recognises the long term feasibility and sustainability of FOSS products without paying a licensing fee every year there might just actually take some development place in certain areas of South Africa.<BR>
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As Dewald mentioned, we need to manage this process very carefully to avoid a ridge between FOSS and proprietory software groups. We need both of these towards improving the conditions in our country.<BR>
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So the take home message is one of IEC:<BR>
I = Information. We need to disseminate enough information before FOSS4G2008 to empower people to partcipate at full speed.<BR>
E= Education. We will have to educate people on what FOSS is, what it can do for you, the limitation, etc.<BR>
C= Communication. We need to communicate all the latest trends, possibilities, opportunities as well as FOSS events.<BR>
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This will be the only way in which we will grow interest as well as the market for FOS Software in South AFrica. This IEC process should start as soon a spossible in South Africa. The right vehicle for dissemination for this information would be GISSA. If GISSA supports this it means that members will also start doing so. I mean GISSA even has an open source portal webpage - so we are half way there. People are using it and not even knowing it.<BR>
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With the best of intentions at all times.<BR>
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Kind regards,<BR>Burnie Nawn<BR>072 134 5352<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:44:37 +0200<BR>From: gmcferren@csir.co.za<BR>To: nucleotic@gmail.com; foss4g2008loc@lists.osgeo.org; GavinF@mintek.co.za<BR>Subject: RE: [Foss4g2008loc] Feedback from GISSA National Council meeting on 4Oct<BR>CC: <BR><BR>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><FONT face="Lucida Sans" size=3>I rather see a massive opportunity for developing mutual understanding and seeing how the FOSS stack and propritary stacks line up and complement/ compete with each other... The reality going forward in South Africa is that while there is a huge push for FOSS coming over the horizon, proprietary software is very dominant and is not going to be displaced easily. FOSS and proprietary will be walking together for a while. Lets make friends and demonstrate inclusiveness :-) </FONT></P><BR>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><FONT face="Lucida Sans" size=3>BTW, ESRI makes use of FOSS software and is engaged in some open source processes like the 52North initiative for example and I think were a sponsor at FOSS4G 2007. </FONT></P><BR>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><FONT face="Lucida Sans" size=3>Graeme</FONT><BR>>>> "Dewald Troskie" <nucleotic@gmail.com> 10/10/07 10:30 AM >>><BR></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Just a point - FOSS4G is about Free and Open Source GIS, not proprietry talks. That is against the spirit of the conference in my opinion - just as the name states. Otherwise we might as well invite the "Microsoft" of GIS (we all know whom I'm talking about) to jump onboard. If users are interested in that, then they should attend one of the ESRI User conferences.</FONT> </P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The debate may be a good idea, but it should be properly mediated to prevent scope creep and have proper direction without getting ugly (I have seen it happen before between professionals).</FONT> </P></DIV></DIV>
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<B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>From:</FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> foss4g2008loc-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:foss4g2008loc-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gavin Fleming<BR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B>Sent:</B> 10 October 2007 09:01 AM<BR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B>To:</B> foss4g2008loc@lists.osgeo.org<BR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><B>Subject:</B> [Foss4g2008loc] Feedback from GISSA National Council meeting on 4Oct<BR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></FONT><BR>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">I gave brief feedback from FOSS4G2007 to the GISSA National Council and asked for their comments on FOSS4G2008 organisation: </P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">: have themed <I><FONT face="Times New Roman">rooms</FONT></I> where delegates know certain streams or cross-cutting content like FOSS will be presented. Previous suggestions include having streams containing FOSS, though not necessarily keeping them in the same room, or randomly interspersing talks with FOSS content throughout a topic stream and just identifying them with some flag. The point was also made that many delegates will see a talk for the application, not for the tools used, i.e. to them it's not important whether FOSS or proprietary GIS was used. </P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">Carrin would send a letter to GISSA members and vendors advising them of the conference and asking them to </P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">Cape participation in the LOC should be boosted. So far Inge is the main person on the ground there. </P>
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