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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Hi Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">We’re
treating the conferences as
one (‘FOSS4G 2008 incorporating GISSA 2008’). Our numbers are based
on AfricaGIS 2005 which was a joint GISSA conference that pulled 800
people,
600 from SA and 200 from the rest of the world. If for FOSS4G2008 we
attract 200
from Europe and <st1:place w:st="on">North America</st1:place>, 200
from ‘the
rest of the world’ and 600 from SA again, we should be fairly confident
of the numbers. That’s why we plan to be covered even if only 600
attend,
which we think is unlikely. In terms of marketing, for those outside SA
it can
be treated as ‘FOSS4G2008 with extras’. The joint aspect will be
marketed in SA. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Re financial
backing, so far GISSA is
taking all the risk and we have no backing from OSGeo other than
statements in
the RFP to the effect that OSGeo would provide bridging finance (which
did not
come about and shouldn’t be necessary now) and that OSGeo would cover
or
share losses if they should occur. That is why we are drafting an
agreement
with OSGeo to cover these bases more formally.</span></font></p>
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Hi Gavin (and all),<br>
Presumably with checks that they can afford to come to the party,
should the wheels fall off? It's all well enough to get a commitment,
but collecting the money from them will be our problem and we may never
see it.<br>
Furthermore, please also be candid about the profit shares.<br>
<br>
I would like to see a "shareholding" based on pro rata cash in the
LOC's South African bank account - so do not refuse the startup
bridging finance even though it will be for collateral rather than
bridging.<br>
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<br>
Regards,<br>
Zoltan<br>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
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Dave McIlhagga [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dmcilhagga@dmsolutions.ca">mailto:dmcilhagga@dmsolutions.ca</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 10 October 2007
04:16 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Gavin Fleming<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:foss4g2008loc@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2008loc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Foss4g2008loc]
Feedback from GISSA National Council meeting on 4 Oct</span></font><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Gavin,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Re. the delegate number ranges (Break Even -
600, plan space for 1000)
is this for the full conference ie. GISSA and FOSS4G2008 or for just
FOSS4G2008
alone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">The reason I ask is that I'd be a bit
concerned if we could be assured
of getting 600 attendees for FOSS4G2008 alone - and given that OSGeo is
financially backing the event (without a lot of cash tolerance for
potential
losses) we need to be cautious in this regard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">On 10-Oct-07, at 3:00 AM, Gavin Fleming wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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gave brief feedback from FOSS4G2007 to the GISSA National Council and
asked for
their comments on FOSS4G2008 organisation:</O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">An idea was proposed for <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">blending proprietary and FOSS talks</span></b>:
have themed <em><i><font face="Times New Roman">rooms</font></i></em>
where delegates know certain streams or cross-cutting content like FOSS
will be presented. Previous suggestions include having streams
containing FOSS, though not necessarily keeping them in the same room,
or randomly interspersing talks with FOSS content throughout a topic
stream and just identifying them with some flag. The point was also
made that many delegates will see a talk for the application, not for
the tools used, i.e. to them it's not important whether FOSS or
proprietary GIS was used. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">The <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">marketing</span></b>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">message</span></b> must be
open and inclusive. While we may run a formal FOSS vs proprietary
debate, confrontation is not the message. Most debate will occur in the
presentations and corridors anyway. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Re topics, it was suggested that we add <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">topics for business and government</span></b>
delegates (pretty much what is being discussed on OSGeo-Discuss at the
moment) such as<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">FOSS GIS migration strategies<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">FOSS GIS business case, FOSS
vs proprietary TCO, etc. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">It was advised that we aim to <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">break even</span></b> with 600 delegates
but plan space for 1000 delegates. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Carrin would send a letter to GISSA members
and vendors advising them of the conference and asking them to <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">plan for the time and budget to attend</span></b>.
<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">A request was made to <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">boost the academic component</span></b> of
the conference. i.e. improve the options available to those who want
peer review and publication of their papers. Antony Cooper will
participate in this. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME
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participation in the LOC should be boosted. So far Inge is the main
person on the ground there. <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Russell
Hope</span></b> might want to get more involved and<b><span
style="font-weight: bold;"> Derek Clarke </span></b>will be
approached (<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gavin</span></b> will
approach Derek) <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">The whole Council asked to be placed on the
LOC mailing list. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">In the development of an agreement between
GISSA and OSGeo we need to clarify respective risks, contributions and
benefits and draft the agreement accordingly. <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Gavin<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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