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ooOoo top posting :-)<br>
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Gavin Fleming wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">To fill you
in – this thread jumped
from the core LOC list as a budget discussion to this broader list, so
there
wasn’t much of a thread to follow.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">We have PC
hire lined up for the workshops
but in the past 10 days have been considering options to buy PCs rather
than
hire. Buying does cost more but then our (your) money doesn’t go into a
bottomless pit – GISSA and OSGeo get to have a say in how 100 PCs get
used for GIS in education after FOSS4G.</span></font></p>
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I am aware of the hiring quotes and did give some (useless, though)
off-line input directly to Burnie.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">We have a
supplier who’s giving us
substantially less than wholesale prices on a fairly high-end PC (incl
screen)
for around R4500, including loading the image we require for the
workshops.</span></font></p>
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This means you are looking at R500K - You have 30 days before you have
to activate Windows - Isn't that a gap to save almost R800 per PC :-) <br>
At R4.5Gs per PC, that is definitely nowhere near high end - without
wanting to interfere, any chance I can have a look at the specs?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Zoltan we
haven’t gone down your
route but for education your config triples the impact we could make.
If you
want to put a hardware quote together pls do so asap if you think we
could use
them first with XP.</span></font></p>
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Not sure that's worth it - you would either have to add 200 sets of
KVMs, or sit with 66 extra boxes - based on 3 seats per box - and then
the XP license costs?<br>
LTSP is often used for education-end PCs. ( <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ltsp.org">www.ltsp.org</a> )<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">XP has to be
loaded for the FOSS4G workshops
as some workshops require Windows. Linux workshops will just use LiveCD
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sigh :-)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">But Linux
could be loaded after the
conference.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The budget
decision is ultimately OSGeo
and GISSA’s call; we hope to have that in a day or two.</span></font></p>
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Without knowing the finances, I'm a bit concerned that either way (buy
or hire) it may be too expensive - but as I elected not to be part of
the organising committee, I'll shut up on this tack for now.<br>
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Cheers & good luck,<br>
Zoltan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"
size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext;"
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:foss4g2008loc-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2008loc-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:foss4g2008loc-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:foss4g2008loc-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Zoltan Szecsei<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 02 September
2008 02:59 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> FOSS4G2008 local
organising
committee<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Foss4g2008loc] PC's
for FOSS4G</span></font><font color="black"><span
style="color: windowtext;" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">burnie nawn wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<br>
So the question remains:<br>
Do we buy or do we hire, and if we buy, what do we do with the PC's?<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
Apologies for not following this thread in detail, but do we have any
quotes
for purchasing the PCs?<br>
What is the required config?<br>
<br>
Before you all jump on me about the config question, I want to propose
multiseat Linux boxes - hence we would need to know if the software
that needs
to run on this PCs, will cope with this sort of config.<br>
<br>
Just (not so) BTW: I have been using 3-seater multiseat Ubuntu boxes in
my GIS
map compilation production line faultlessly for the last 2 years.<br>
Typical config is: Motherboard with 3 PCI Express slots, 3 VGA cards, 3
LCD
monitors and 3 USB keyboard/mouse inputs. So, 1 computer, three
simultaneous
users.<br>
Tou can go higher than 3, but finding the right HW would be a challenge.<br>
<br>
We could also consider LTSP, but maybe not.<br>
<br>
I have the knowledge and buying power (ie: purchase components from
direct
importers) to spec and purchase these machines and they could even be
built by
the guys we buy the components from (typically R200 assembly charge) -
but I do
not have the resources to load & configure Ubuntu Linux, nor to set
up the
PCs at CTICC.<br>
<br>
Should we even be thinking of going down this road?<br>
<br>
my 2c<br>
Zoltan<br>
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