Paul,<br><br>I wasn't referring to your efforts for 2007.<br><br>I'm looking at how we could possibly sell the concept for 2009, with the 'event' managed by OGC as an independent body.<br><br>I take your and Simon's point on relative priorities though.<br>
<br>Greg, what is your take on this from OGC? Do you think that a 'shootout' type event overseen by OGC and run on a virtual server environment as described in my earlier emails would get buy-in within industry, especially if it was co-located at a FOSS4G conference?<br>
<br><br>Bruce Bannerman<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Paul Ramsey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">You think we didn't sell it that way? :)<br>
ASAIK this isn't a sales problem it's an effort problem. "Come do a<br>
bunch of work in addition to all the other preparation you will have<br>
to do for this conference."<br>
It's #12 on the priority list, no surprise it doesn't get done.<br>
P<br>
<br>
2008/11/6 Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> sorry, resend as this email address wasn't subscribed to list.<br>
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> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Bruce Bannerman<br>
> <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> How about if this was sold as Jeff McKenna alluded to during our<br>
>> conference call?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> "Step up to the plate and show the world how good and how interoperable<br>
>> your spatial software is.<br>
>><br>
>> Compete on an even playing field, with a neutral umpire, using the same<br>
>> data and server.<br>
>><br>
>> The spatial world will be watching the results."<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Of course, everyone will have the best software. If after the event they<br>
>> find that they don't, then there will be an incentive to do better the<br>
>> following year (at FOSS4Gnnnn).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> fwiw<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Bruce Bannerman<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > -----Original Message-----<br>
>> > From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>]<br>
>> > Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 4:32 AM<br>
>> > To: mapbutcher<br>
>> > Cc: Cameron Shorter; foss4g2009; Jeff McKenna; Bruce<br>
>> > Bannerman; Greg Buehler; Justin Deoliveira<br>
>> > Subject: Re: [Foss4g2009] Re: Geospatial Integration Showcase<br>
>> > - meeting notes [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The 2007 experience very much validates Simon. In the end,<br>
>> > Justin and DaveP volunteered a good deal of time to put the<br>
>> > foundation elements into place for a showcase (data gathered,<br>
>> > documented with metadata on the wiki, loaded into public<br>
>> > PostGIS instance) and nobody else showed up and helped.<br>
>> > Vendors were too busy with other things to dedicate even the<br>
>> > time to stand up a demo on the public data, despite lots of<br>
>> > harassment on our part. Even folks like DM Solutions didn't step up.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Catch-22, if you expect everyone to come and add their<br>
>> > ingredients to the stew, they won't. If you just do it all<br>
>> > yourself, well, it's not much of an "integration" showcase<br>
>> > anymore, is it?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > P.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 2008/11/6 mapbutcher <<a href="mailto:mapbutcher@mapbutcher.com">mapbutcher@mapbutcher.com</a>>:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > > I think your proposed vision is valid and I'm not wanting to spread<br>
>> > > FUD its just that i'd like to move the agenda beyond the<br>
>> > vision. Even<br>
>> > > providing a very basic infrastructure and basic<br>
>> > scenario/data i think<br>
>> > > you under estimate the work involved and more importantly i<br>
>> > think we<br>
>> > > run the risk of going where others have gone before?<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
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