<div>All,</div><div><br></div><div>Whenever I'm getting spare time I'm starting to configure the 09 OCS instance - I'll keep the list posted.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm trying to strip out as much of the UI to keep it focussed on the submission process - I'd like to keep the main site the primary site and not duplicate content across to OCS</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g2009/">http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g2009/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><br clear="all">Simon<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/1/9 Volker Mische <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
It would be nice if you could send it to me. I already expected (a) and<br>
(b), though it might be a good reference to get started.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
Paul Ramsey wrote:<br>
> It's still around, and I can send it to you. It's (a) ugly and (b)<br>
> fairly specific to the database design I used for abstract management.<br>
><br>
> P.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Volker Mische <<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi Paul,<br>
>><br>
>> This sounds like a good idea. Is the software you used still there, or<br>
>> do we need to build our own?<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Volker<br>
>><br>
>> Paul Ramsey wrote:<br>
>>> I gave people a list of everything, in random order, with the ability<br>
>>> so sub-set it with a keyword search. So if they wanted, the could vote<br>
>>> on only PostGIS things, and if they started from the top and worked<br>
>>> down then got tired, we'd still get a randomly distributed set of<br>
>>> preferences.<br>
>>><br>
>>> P.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Volker Mische <<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi All,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I like to keep the effort as minimal as possible. Therefore I would say<br>
>>>> solution 2+3.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I see no problem if everyone who wants to submit a workshop/abstract has<br>
>>>> to register. It takes 5min for everyone, and all of them should be<br>
>>>> capable of registering at a website. And it would save our time to find<br>
>>>> a workaround with a dummy user.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I guess for the voting we need to get it somehow out of the database,<br>
>>>> but this should be a matter of a small script.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One open question for me is: What do we use for voting. I like<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.ideatorrent.org/" target="_blank">http://www.ideatorrent.org/</a>. The problem is that once a workshop is in<br>
>>>> the "top 10" it's likely that people just vote for those at the top, and<br>
>>>> not the ones at the bottom.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>> Volker<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> mapbutcher wrote:<br>
>>>>> Folks,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I've begun to configure the 2009 OCS conference pages on the OCS<br>
>>>>> instance on the OSGeo box. If you don't already have an account it may<br>
>>>>> be an idea to create one:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2009/user/account" target="_blank">http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2009/user/account</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Volker, Shoaib - any preference on which way we should go based upon my<br>
>>>>> earlier email?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Cheers<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Simon<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 2009/1/5 Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Copying to the foss4g2009 email list for archiving.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Lorenzo Becchi wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi Simon, thank you to include me in this list.<br>
>>>>> I would suggest to use a mailing list to go on with this<br>
>>>>> conversation because it is important to have it archived, IMO.<br>
>>>>> another thing I would like to suggest is the use of a wiki page,<br>
>>>>> you've made so many important questions that it is normal that<br>
>>>>> you will receive an answer at the time, if you're lucky ;-)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> my experience with OCS is still very limited, I've just set up<br>
>>>>> an instance [1] to practice. The instalation is pretty easy if<br>
>>>>> you don't have safe_mode php (I do).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I've started a private conversation with Tyler about part of<br>
>>>>> your questions and he has discovered interesting features that I<br>
>>>>> guess he will comment to everybody.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'll check out the few answers I can maybe give while we decide<br>
>>>>> if it's worth to move the conversation to foss4g2009 mailing list.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ciao<br>
>>>>> Lorenzo<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> [1] <a href="http://foss4g2010.org" target="_blank">http://foss4g2010.org</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> mapbutcher wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> All, (Lorenzo cc'd because of your recent emails to<br>
>>>>> OSGeo-conf, Gavin your experience of OCS in 2008 may help<br>
>>>>> shape our choice of scenario?)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> We need to 'integrate' the current site<br>
>>>>> (http:.//<a href="http://2009.foss4g.org/" target="_blank">2009.foss4g.org/</a> <<a href="http://2009.foss4g.org/" target="_blank">http://2009.foss4g.org/</a>><br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://2009.foss4g.org/" target="_blank">http://2009.foss4g.org/</a>>) with OCS for 2009. We need to<br>
>>>>> have these processes handled:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1. Workshop submission (2nd February 2009 Call for<br>
>>>>> workshops open)<br>
>>>>> 2. Abstract submission (9th March 2009 Call for abstracts<br>
>>>>> open)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I've purposefully not discussed here the presentation of the<br>
>>>>> conference programme on the website as i feel this adds a<br>
>>>>> layer of complexity to the integration which we should<br>
>>>>> handle separately. Instead I suggest we work on this<br>
>>>>> separate from the submission process - any feelings on<br>
>>>>> this? Given the time frames I'd like to suggest the<br>
>>>>> following - I'm open to other scenarios but please consider<br>
>>>>> our time frame:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Scenario 1 - Partial Integration<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> a) We develop a workshop proposal and abstract submission<br>
>>>>> page external from OCS for the current site<br>
>>>>> (<a href="http://2009.foss4g.org/" target="_blank">http://2009.foss4g.org/</a>).<br>
>>>>> b) Ideally it would be preferable if these pages do not<br>
>>>>> require authorisation to make the process of submission<br>
>>>>> simple (If possible? - see clarification questions below)<br>
>>>>> c) Submissions are made directly into the OCS database via<br>
>>>>> an OCS API (If possible? - see clarification questions below)<br>
>>>>> d) Submissions are reviewed internally by OC using OCS (If<br>
>>>>> possible? - see clarification questions below)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Scenario 2 - OCS<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> a) We link a new submission page on the current site to<br>
>>>>> OSGeo OCS instance (ideally the most obvious entry point -<br>
>>>>> i.e. register, submission but not just OCS home)<br>
>>>>> b) We use what css capability in OCS to make these sites<br>
>>>>> 'appear as one'<br>
>>>>> c) Workshop proposals are put through as submissions in OCS<br>
>>>>> under a 'workshop' track<br>
>>>>> d) We follow the OCS work flows for review<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Scenario 3 - OCS and Review through current site<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> a) We follow scenario 1 or 2 (probably 2) above until<br>
>>>>> submission is complete<br>
>>>>> b) We provide visibility onto OCS data from the current site<br>
>>>>> for the following (both of these we develop outside of OCS):<br>
>>>>> i) Workshop and Presentation Open Vote<br>
>>>>> ii)Online Programme<br>
>>>>> From a practical point of view we have limited time &<br>
>>>>> resources. Granted OCS has cosmetic issues as well as having<br>
>>>>> a rather rigid work flow but it brings a certain amount to<br>
>>>>> the table which we may not have the resources to replicate<br>
>>>>> in time for the workshop and abstract submission opening.<br>
>>>>> Personally I cannot throw much time at this in January,<br>
>>>>> Shoaib & Volker what is your availability? Given this my<br>
>>>>> preference would be Scenario 3 with the following outline<br>
>>>>> approach:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1. Create 2009 Conference in OCS on OSGeo box (easy)<br>
>>>>> 2. Configure the necessary parts for submissions (more time<br>
>>>>> consuming, but not tricky)<br>
>>>>> 3. Set up styles(again a bit time consuming)<br>
>>>>> 4. Test submission work flow<br>
>>>>> 5. Create registration page on 2009.foss4g outlining<br>
>>>>> submission<br>
>>>>> work flow and with links into OCS<br>
>>>>> 6. Begin to develop a workshop and presentation open vote<br>
>>>>> page\backend for 2009.foss4g<br>
>>>>> 7. Begin to develop a programme page\backend for 2009.foss4g<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Below are some clarification questions that Shoaib and I<br>
>>>>> discussed when we met in December which some people may be<br>
>>>>> able to answer<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1. What version of OCS is OSGeo using currently?<br>
>>>>> 2. What backend does OSGeo use for OCS?<br>
>>>>> 3. Does OCS allow abstracts once reviewed and approved to be<br>
>>>>> 'assigned' to a time slot in the programme?<br>
>>>>> 4. OCS does not support 'workshop' proposal submission is this<br>
>>>>> correct? i.e. it only supports abstract submission<br>
>>>>> 5. What information do we need to gather as part of workshop<br>
>>>>> submissions?<br>
>>>>> 6. Does OCS support ATOM/RSS and iCal feed creation<br>
>>>>> 7. Does OCS allow the program to be displayed on a website<br>
>>>>> in the<br>
>>>>> form of a calender, my understanding is that OCS only<br>
>>>>> displays a<br>
>>>>> conference program as a list?<br>
>>>>> 8. Does OCS have support for conference Streams/Themes? if<br>
>>>>> so does<br>
>>>>> if allow Abstracts and Workshops to be assigned to<br>
>>>>> Themes? My<br>
>>>>> understanding is that OCS uses 'Tracks' to do this?<br>
>>>>> 9. Does OCS have an API to submit abstracts so the we can<br>
>>>>> call it<br>
>>>>> directly from the foss4g website without having to<br>
>>>>> transition to<br>
>>>>> another site. e.g. can we setup the abstract submission<br>
>>>>> form on<br>
>>>>> FOSS4G that calls the OCS with an HTTP Post request. My<br>
>>>>> understanding is that there isn't an API and there are<br>
>>>>> some very<br>
>>>>> basic import mechanisms<br>
>>>>> 10. How does OCS support email notification of<br>
>>>>> proposal/abstract<br>
>>>>> submission & approval?<br>
>>>>> 11. Does OCS require every user to login with the correct<br>
>>>>> roles or<br>
>>>>> can we by-pass this requirement to simplify the the<br>
>>>>> abstract/workshop submission? e.g. will this require a<br>
>>>>> proxy user?<br>
>>>>> 12. If we submit Abstract/Workshops to the back end<br>
>>>>> directly (by<br>
>>>>> passing OCS) can OCS still be used to review and<br>
>>>>> approve them?<br>
>>>>> 13. How hard is it to change the theme and layout of the OCS<br>
>>>>> webpages so that the transition between the foss4g site<br>
>>>>> and OCS<br>
>>>>> is as smooth as possible<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> We need to begin to move on this ASAP so if we can gather<br>
>>>>> feedback, preferences etc by 8th Dec:<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240</a><br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240</a>><br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240</a><br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240</a>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Cameron can we take a decision on the way forward thereafter?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Simon<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Cameron Shorter<br>
>>>>> Geospatial Systems Architect<br>
>>>>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<br>
>>>>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<br>
>>>>><br>
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>>>>><br>
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>><br>
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