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Scott,</div>
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That spherical value of 470 km, as defined in ESRI's projection, was intended. We are still working with the IAU to update these rules, but when that projection was defined, we used this rule:<br>
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If the IAU defined a "mean" radius for a body (see Table 6.0 <a href="https://astropedia.astrogeology.usgs.gov/download/Docs/WGCCRE/WGCCRE2015reprint.pdf#page=33" id="LPlnk" title="https://astropedia.astrogeology.usgs.gov/download/Docs/WGCCRE/WGCCRE2015reprint.pdf#page=33">
page 33</a> of the report), we default to that value as a sphere. </div>
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This value was provided to the IAU by Thomas Roatsch (DLR) from the Dawn Team.</div>
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The Dawn team, which produced the control mosaic for Ceres, also used 470 km as a sphere for the final mosaic and digital terrain model (
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DTM</a>):</div>
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reference: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.pss.2016.05.011" id="LPlnk893224">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.pss.2016.05.011</a></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">quote, <i>"Ceres' shape model was then used for the calculation of the ray intersection points, while the map projection itself was placed onto a reference sphere of Ceres with a mean radius of 470 km."</i><br>
image mosaic: <a href="https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search/map/ceres_dawn_fc_global_mosaic_140m" id="OWAcfa7ac3a-bf62-87a6-f559-d9059ff9a34a" class="OWAAutoLink" style="margin: 0px;">
https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search/map/ceres_dawn_fc_global_mosaic_140m</a></span></div>
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While it might seem strange to use a sphere, this is common for irregular shaped bodies. This is mostly true for bodies defined as a triaxial since mapping applications do not commonly support triaxial map projections. The IAU defines these mean radii to help
support interoperability across applications. We are working with the IAU and could update some of these rules. For example, I will say it is odd to see that Ceres is NOT defined as a triaxial, but the Dawn Team and the IAU promote a "mean" radius. I'm sure
we will revisit this in the future.</div>
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BTW, it doesn't mean you can't define your own projection for Ceres if you need to. But I would recommend matching the current best-of image mosaic and DTM.<br>
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I hope that helps,</div>
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Trent</div>
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<b>To:</b> Reynolds, Scott <scott@agi.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hare, Trent M <thare@usgs.gov><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] [gdal-dev] Shape update/addition for Ceres</span>
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check with Trent Hare at USGS</div>
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As a user of GDAL in some of our products I’m trying to find a contact, probably/possibly at Esri, that could add a new entry for Ceres that uses the oblate parameters defined
<span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="https://astropedia.astrogeology.usgs.gov/download/Docs/WGCCRE/WGCCRE2015reprint.pdf" id="OWA8e8b7cc6-c0c9-570c-fb65-7284566acbf0" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">here</a></u></span> (487.3km,
446km). ESRI:104972 exists for the spherical definition (470 km).</p>
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