<div dir="ltr">Hi Sven,<div><br></div><div>+1. Looking at the current Road Map bullets on the wiki, it seems that your points could either be added up at the top (1st bullet on the RoadMap section) or around the "Use Case" section.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have time to summarize the key points of your email and add it to the Road Map section?</div><div><br></div><div>Charlie Schweik</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Sven Schade <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sven.schade@jrc.ec.europa.eu" target="_blank">sven.schade@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Suchith, Patrick, all<br>
<br>
Indeed, the meeting on Monday was a good mile stone to touch base and get<br>
additional ideas from other communities.<br>
<br>
In my presentation, I tried to raise the discussion about common interests<br>
and possible future direction(s). At the moment interests are manifold, but<br>
we might focus too much on the technical issues only.<br>
<br>
For your convenience, this were the basic directions/dimensions of<br>
addressing Big Data and Geospatial Information Science:<br>
- On the technical/methodological dimension: advancing (Big) data handling<br>
to unite geospatial science and statistics research.<br>
- On the legal dimension: investigating and suggesting the required<br>
framework to preserve privacy, ensure equity (equality in access to data and<br>
computing capacities), protect IPR and copyrights.<br>
- On the economic dimension: creating sustainable Research Infrastructures<br>
(RI) for the public and private sector, investigate possibilities for Public<br>
Private Partnerships (PPP).<br>
- On the social dimension: Fostering public engagement in Big Data (theory,<br>
i.e. participation in related debates, and practice, i.e. data gathering and<br>
analysis).<br>
<br>
I believe that this holds for Big Geospatial Data in general, but equally<br>
for urban analytics. Taking the example of our great discussion of the Road<br>
Map Challenge [1], it currently addresses the technocratic dimension only.<br>
While this is certainly the area most of us are comfortable with and where<br>
much progress can be made, any serious roadmap on urban science should also<br>
consider the other dimensions - in my opinion most prominently the social<br>
dimension. In this respect, a roadmap would look quite different to what is<br>
currently discussed. We would need to:<br>
1) Identify the intended direct beneficiaries (aka users, customers,<br>
consumers) - instead of focusing on producers of data, infrastructures,<br>
software and services. Possible beneficiaries might be: urban planners,<br>
scientists/academia, city councils and majors, citizen, young people (pupil<br>
and students), etc. While these intended audiences might partially overlap,<br>
all might have different needs and need a different approach for<br>
participation.<br>
2) Identify and get into contact with some representatives of the intended<br>
target group, e.g. with champions in digital social innovation and open<br>
minded individuals, or via associations that are directly connected to these<br>
communities, such as citizen associations.<br>
3) Engaging with these people in order to identify their real needs for city<br>
analytics, in order to first of all get their requirements, but also to<br>
co-develop products, get direct feedback (e.g. be including them in review<br>
panels for the NASA WW Challenge), etc.<br>
4) Expand from few collaborations into a wider network in which solutions<br>
are replicated or adopted for one city after the other - each time<br>
customized to the individual needs.<br>
<br>
While the discussions so far (for good reasons) focused on a technology push<br>
("People of city X, come and see what a nice open solution we developed for<br>
you!"), we should do our best to complement this with an application pull<br>
("Urban Science and City Analytics experts, we have a serious problem, can<br>
you help us?").<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Sven<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_UrbanScience_CityAnalytics" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_UrbanScience_CityAnalytics</a><br>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:37 AM<br>
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); <a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] CitySmart/SmartCity Road Map: 'The Challenge'<br>
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Patrick, many thanks for the Road Map Challenge to take this forward. "Open<br>
Cities - Guiding Principles" will be great basis for everyone interested to<br>
collaborate and build upon ideas specific to their use cases. Seeing the<br>
expertise of the people who have expressed interest in working on this<br>
common theme, it is good momentum.<br>
<br>
Let me thank all the presenters and participants for of our yesterday's<br>
meeting (both who were present in venue and online) and to Chris for<br>
chairing this session. It is really appropriate that we build stronger<br>
synergies with the work being done by colleagues in Big Data theme for<br>
this. Thanks to Sven, Didier, Chris, Mark, Peter for their excellent<br>
presentation and sharing ideas.<br>
<br>
Sven- your last slide on what should the two groups focus for synergies<br>
(technical, social,policy...) was thought provoking. Pity we did not get<br>
time to discuss this . Let us discuss ideas on this over mail as this is key<br>
for thinking for future work ideas.<br>
<br>
The session was recorded , so we will be able to send the url of the<br>
recording to others who were not able to attend also.<br>
<br>
So thanks all and this meeting has been a good start to get our ideas<br>
together.The main problem i realised was we had only less than 30 minutes<br>
for the Q& A and discussions, so it was not possible to get time for<br>
everyone to get opportunity to discuss thier ideas, so please use the email<br>
to inform your ideas/proposals, so we can move ideas forward.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
<br>
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Subject: [Ica-osgeo-labs] CitySmart/SmartCity Road Map: 'The Challenge'<br>
<br>
OSGeo GeoForAll Folks,<br>
<br>
We had a nice joint-session today of the OSGeo GeoForAll 'movers and<br>
shakers' orienting mostly to 'what's needed.'<br>
<a href="https://rd-alliance.org/ig-geospatial-p5-joint-session.html" target="_blank">https://rd-alliance.org/ig-geospatial-p5-joint-session.html</a><br>
<br>
It looks like we have needs to do big analytics on big data. This is not<br>
^new^ news and 'yet we have yet' to find the rally point where we actually<br>
begin to move forward together. This is the purpose of our Road Map<br>
Challenge. And what do we all have in common? We all need to see pixels show<br>
up when and where we want them, the geospatial visualization medium, the<br>
picture that speaks a thousand words. For spatial data this means a dynamic<br>
virtual globe, and for OSGeo, FOSS4G and the scientific research community,<br>
this also means open source! Something we all collectively own.<br>
<br>
We need a 'Road Map' for that open source virtual globe platform (the app).<br>
And, if this app had an API for the menu system, it would allow anyone to<br>
build whatever functionality they desired and essentially 'drop-it-in.' The<br>
immediate 'global' benefit of this is that it will also greatly facilitate<br>
sharing of those functionalities. And for the open functionalities versus<br>
the proprietary one (yes, both are allowed), these functionalities could be<br>
continually advanced by the global community, as would the platform itself.<br>
<br>
Cities need urban management tools! Not surprisingly, most city needs are<br>
quite similar in nature. So, this is an exciting opportunity to serve our<br>
own interests, that of each city, and yet by doing so, also collectively<br>
serve the interests of a global community. In this way each forward step one<br>
of us makes moves us all move forward together.<br>
<br>
I have added a base set of requirements to the 'Road Map Challenge' for<br>
those who might wonder what 'basic' virtual globe requirements look like:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_UrbanScience_CityAnalytics#CitySmart.2F" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_UrbanScience_CityAnalytics#CitySmart.2F</a><br>
SmartCity_Road_Map:_.27The_Challenge.27<br>
<br>
We dare any group who wants to win the Crystal Bull (see it here,<br>
<a href="http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/" target="_blank">http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/</a>) to take up this challenge, or forever<br>
sit on the sideline waiting for something good to happen. Please just let<br>
Chris or myself know that you are 'in' and that you plan to deliver your<br>
Road Map Challenge requirements document, with your CitySmart<br>
standard-features and use-cases defined, by May 30.<br>
<br>
Thanks much,<br>
-Patrick<br>
<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Charlie Schweik<br><br>Associate Professor, University of Massachusetts, Amherst<div>Dept of Environmental Conservation and Center for Public Policy and Administration</div><div><br><div>Personal website: <a href="http://people.umass.edu/cschweik" target="_blank">http://people.umass.edu/cschweik</a></div><div>Publications: <a href="http://works.bepress.com/charles_schweik/" target="_blank">http://works.bepress.com/charles_schweik/</a></div><div><br>Author, Internet Success: A Study of Open Source Software (MIT Press, 2012) - see <a href="http://tinyurl.com/d3e4545" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/d3e4545</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><div>--------------------------------------------</div><div>Q: Why is this email five sentences or less?</div><div>A: <a href="http://five.sentenc.es" target="_blank">http://five.sentenc.es</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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