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Hi Luis,<br>
It is good to hear that OGC Standard Overviews from OSGeo-Live
material is being considered as a starting point for OGC Standard
documentation.<br>
Also good to hear that training modules are being developed. I
assume that these will be 2 different types of documentation,
serving different purposes?<br>
<br>
Over the last few days I've been researching existing material
describing OGC standards, with the aim of helping define a template
for created documentation, and a process/pipeline for developing and
publishing material.<br>
<br>
I've found that wikipedia has quite a bit of material which we could
draw upon. Eg, there are descriptions of most of the OGC standards
[1].<br>
<br>
Wikipedia also has an excellent collaborative development process,
including a translation pipeline.<br>
<br>
Wikipedia has a concept of "Style Guidelines" which can be applied
to different categories. As yet, a "Style Guideline" has not been
set for OGC Standards, and as such, we could define one. (I can't
find a decent style guide for ISO standards, which might be worth
discussing with ISO).<br>
<br>
I'd suggest that:<br>
* Wikipedia should be one of our target delivery formats for our "1
page overview" documents.<br>
* As such, we should adopt wikipedia writing conventions to make
this simpler.<br>
* Other delivery locations should be OGC web pages, and OSGeo-Live
documentation pages.<br>
* The OGC pages (and to a lesser extend OSGeoLive pages) need to be
considered as an authoritative source, and as such should have a
trusted OGC editorial review before publishing.<br>
<br>
I'm open to Luis' suggestion of developing overview pages in git,
but suggest it might be better to develop in wikipedia as:<br>
<br>
0. Define a Wikipedia "Style Guideline" for OGC Standards.<br>
<br>
1. Collaboratively develop Overviews in Wikipedia<br>
1.1 OGC provide Authoritative Review back into Wikipedia, then
publish to OGC pages as authoritative source. (This might involve
copying across into an OGC git repository)<br>
1.2 OSGeo-Live copies these pages into OSGeo-Live docs<br>
<br>
2. Translations coordinated through Wikipedia<br>
<br>
I'll save my ideas about content of Overview docs for another email.<br>
<br>
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Map_Service">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Map_Service</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/03/2015 4:09 am, Luis Bermudez
wrote:<br>
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Hi Cameron,
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<div>You were missed in the telecon.</div>
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<div>Angelos provided great information on the resources that
exists in OSGeo-Live. I'm wondering how to better contribute and
reuse what is at the OSGeo-Live.</div>
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<div>For example, will this make sense:</div>
<div>We fork some of the content from OSGeo-Live repository, make
the changes/additions and then you pull from the OGC repository</div>
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<div>Or?</div>
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Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br>
Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning<br>
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br>
The OGC: Making Location Count<br>
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Skype: bermudez_luis<br>
Twitter: @berdez<br>
Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br>
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<div>On Mar 18, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, I'm keen, but not
keen enough to wake up at 2am/3am (for Sydney/Australia
timezone).<br>
<br>
Happy to contribute by email before/afterwards.<br>
<br>
Alternatively, I can make this timeslot:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/03/2015 12:40 am, Luis
Bermudez wrote:<br>
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All,
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<div>For those of you interested to discuss the next
steps about how to better develop and share E-Learning
resources for OGC standards, I have created a doodle
poll. Note that the times are in Eastern Time.</div>
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<div>I will also invite folks from the OGC University
Domain Working group.</div>
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<div>I will send the logistics of the meeting after we
have settle on the date and time.</div>
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<div>Looking forward to a great discussion.</div>
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
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Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br>
Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning<br>
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br>
The OGC: Making Location Count<br>
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Skype: bermudez_luis<br>
Twitter: @berdez<br>
Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br>
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<div>On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:07 AM, Suchith Anand <<a
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Luis,<br>
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That is excellent. Let us schedule a telecon to
discuss next steps. May i suggest that you send a
doodle poll with your convenient times to this
list and we can then find a best time suitable for
all.Thanks.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
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From: Luis Bermudez [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lbermudez@opengeospatial.org">lbermudez@opengeospatial.org</a>]<br>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:32 PM<br>
To: Cameron Shorter; Suchith Anand<br>
Cc: Christopher Tucker; George Percivall; Carl
Reed; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Documenting OGC
standards and OGC standards training<br>
<br>
Hi Suchith, Cameron and all,<br>
<br>
I'm very happy to see this dialog.<br>
<br>
Now that I have been officially appointed
(tasked), I want to leverage, contribute and help
move forward e-learning material related to OGC
standards.<br>
<br>
I'm wondering, is it worth to schedule a telecon
about the next steps?<br>
<br>
Best Regards.<br>
<br>
- Luis<br>
<br>
---------------------------------------------------<br>
Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br>
Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning<br>
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br>
The OGC: Making Location Count<br>
<br>
Skype: bermudez_luis<br>
Twitter: @berdez<br>
Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a><br>
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On Mar 15, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Cameron Shorter <a
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Forwarding on Chris' email
(with permission), which bounced from this list.<br>
<br>
Thanks Chris for the offer of support from
yourself and others from the OGC. I think this
is another great opportunity for OSGeo and the
OGC to work together.<br>
It is also very valuable and motivating for us
OSGeo contributors to know that the OGC can help
deliver OSGeo concerns to the right people.<br>
<br>
Regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
On 15/03/2015 8:06 am, Christopher Tucker wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Cameron,<br>
<br>
As an OGC Board member, I appreciate the
subject change. If the GeoForAll community
wants any particular involvement from the OGC
on this or other matters, I am more than happy
to help facilitate the interaction with
appropriate OGC staff and membership.<br>
<br>
Also, coincidently, I happen to do a lot of
work with leading US government investors in
LiDAR technology, collection and processing -
all the way up to the White House Office of
Science and Technology Policy. If their
attention is required, I am happy to
facilitate.<br>
<br>
Thanks for all you guys are doing.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
703-981-9373<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mar 14, 2015, at
4:36 PM, Cameron Shorter <a
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wrote:<br>
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I'm bringing this email thread back onto the
public ica-osgeo-labs list (CC OGC people)
and changing title (with permission of
Suchith).<br>
Title was "RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS
format, the ASPRS, and the ģLAZ cloneē by
ESRI" and a private conversation had
started.<br>
<br>
Hi Suchith,<br>
I like the idea of bringing OGC standards
into education, and would be keen to see
authoritative and consistent descriptions of
standards available. (We started doing this
a while ago on OSGeo Live [1], but these
descriptions are incomplete, out of date,
and the template needs improving).<br>
<br>
There was further discussion about
describing standards within the OGC
"Ideas4OGC" initiative [2] ~ October 2013,
leading to recognition of a need for
consistent descriptions of standards:
including a one pager description for
architects, and an implementation guide for
developers.<br>
<br>
There is a lot of work in developing such
documentation for all standards, but if we
create a template for what is required, we
can then spread the work across multiple
interested parties (as we have done with
OSGeo-Live documentation). I'd be happy to
help with creating such a template.<br>
<br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[2]
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_20:_Quality_versus_Quantity">http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_20:_Quality_versus_Quantity</a><br>
and<br>
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href="http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_28:_Active_Direction">http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_28:_Active_Direction</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 13/03/2015 8:30
pm, Suchith Anand wrote:<br>
Hi Cameron, All,<br>
<br>
I am not a standards expert but i am
determined that i am going to do my best
to improve the education aspects of Open
Standards in Geo Eduation curriculum
worldwide. This is long term action and we
need help from all interested to join
this.<br>
<br>
We have done this successfully in Open
Source GIS education in a very short time.
For example, our GeoAcademy colleagues
have not only established a very
successful MOOC program ( i understand
over 4000 students are enrolled for their
March 2015 cohort, so the scale of
expansion of this amazing) but more
importantly they made available the
curriculum (lecture materials, tutorials
etc) available to all educators to share
and share alike under the Creative Commons
BY 3.0 license at the GitHub repository at
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