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    Dear Elżbieta,<br>
    <br>
    I try to answer your question:<br>
    <br>
    1. The goal is to create a portfolio of certifications related to
    the usage and implementation of Geo-spatial Open Source solutions
    (as we discussed in Como). So far we take the following
    certifications into approach (with 2 - 3 sub-categories):<br>
    <br>
    <ol>
      <li>Positioning and data acquisition</li>
      <li>Analysis and Modeling</li>
      <li>Software, Application and Development</li>
    </ol>
    <br>
    Hence it is geared to "some broader knowledge & skills related
    to implementation of GI tools and spatial dat". As you can see it's
    not product-oriented but Tanzeel developed suggestions for the usage
    of tools from the OSGeo Projects [1]<br>
    <br>
    2. I think that QGIS certification is product specific and hence
    complimentary<br>
    <br>
    Regards - Franz-Josef <br>
    <br>
    [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/">http://www.osgeo.org/</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 20.10.2015 um 12:14 schrieb Elżbieta
      Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska:<br>
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      Dear Franz-Josef, Tanzeel,<br>
      <br>
      Your conversation with Suchith it's quite similar to the one we
      did in Nodebo during the 1st QGIS Conference (then it was
      obviously related to QGIS only).<br>
      <br>
      I have two general questions... <br>
      No. 1 What does it mean "FOSS4G/OsGeo certification"? What kind of
      competences should be covered by this certification - use of
      specific soft only (which one) or some broader knowledge &
      skills related to implementation of GI tools and spatial data?<br>
      No. 2 How is your idea related to QGIS certification (mentioned in
      the email)?<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      Ela<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:gray"> <br>
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              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN-US">Elżbieta

              Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska<br>
              Head of Education Unit<br>
              Deputy Country Coordinator of GLOBE Program</span></p>
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              Sobieszynska 8, 00-764 Warsaw<br>
              phone.: +48 22 840 6664 ext. 116<br>
              fax: +48 22 851 6201<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2015-10-20 o 11:45,
        Franz-Josef Behr pisze:<br>
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        type="cite"> Dear Suchith,<br>
        <br>
        thank you for your message and concerns. I'd like to bring in
        some clarification.<br>
        <br>
        <ol>
          <li>Basically certification for FOSS should be based on the
            community for the community. </li>
          <li>Accreditation must be given by an acknowledged
            organisation like OSGeo, as you mentioned, and perhaps other
            communities (i.e. QGIS association [1]). This should be the
            "umbrella".</li>
          <li>Examinations should be endorsed by acknowledged
            Universities (i.e. Geo4All members). Here I am looking for
            supporters.<br>
          </li>
          <li>Education is provided by certified trainers (still further
            work needed)</li>
          <li>Organisational work and management has to be done by an
            agency. This could be an opportunity for Tanzeel.</li>
        </ol>
        <br>
        In my opinion FOSS4G/OSGeo certifications can be beneficial for
        all participants:<br>
        <br>
        <ul>
          <li>for the community</li>
          <li>for the further dissemination of open tools, data, and
            standards</li>
          <li>for the trainees</li>
          <li>for the trainers</li>
          <li>for the companies looking for employees</li>
          <li>for the organising agency</li>
          <li>for Universities (offering education).</li>
        </ul>
        Similar to [1] certification should have either a fixed,
        moderate cost, or a cost relative to the  GDP/mean salary of the
        country of origin of the trainee <br>
        <br>
        Suchith and colleagues, I'd really appreciate your support and
        your ideas.<br>
        <br>
        Regards<br>
        Franz-Josef<br>
        [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification">http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification</a><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 19.10.2015 um 15:42 schrieb
          Suchith Anand:<br>
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            <div><font size="3">Thank you for the email and more
                information. The idea of <span style="font-family:
                  'Times New Roman'; ">open source certification model
                  based on geospatial technology competency model is
                  good BUT i do have concerns  on your  aim to </span><span
                  style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">commercialise
                  this certification under the umberella of  a private
                  company.  OSGeo Board should be the one who should be
                  able to take the decision on certification for OSGeo
                  software training.</span></font></div>
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            <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                  size="3">I was not aware of your discussions with Jeff
                  and others on this that you mention in your mail . I
                  am ccing this to our education colleagues, so they can
                  give an informed answer and suggestions to this. I
                  suggest that you email the OSGeo Board with all
                  details, so that they will be able to give you
                  suggestions on the best way for this.</font></span></div>
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                  size="3">Best wishes,</font></span></div>
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                    color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
                    tanzeel rehman [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a>]<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2015 2:20 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk">suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for
                    Leaders in Innovation Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt
                    Newton-Mosharafa Program<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Dear Suchith<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks for concerns .yes it is my master thesis and
                    I develop an open source certification model based
                    on geospatial technology competency model. I
                    preseneted this topic in FOSS4g Como pre conference
                    and it was highly appriciated even some of guys were
                    really intrested. We had a meeting also for
                    accereditation and approval for this model and jeff
                    suggested that it should be project based
                    certifocation. Now a days me in spokane for gis pro
                    confernece because i want to commercialise this
                    certification under the umberella of my new born
                    company spatial junction <br>
                    And my second supervisor phillip davis  appriciated
                    alot.<br>
                    I need support and suggesstions from all of you to
                    uplift the OSgeo model<br>
                    Thanks<br>
                    <br>
                    <hr> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
                    To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a><br>
                    CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                    Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders
                    in Innovation Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt
                    Newton-Mosharafa Program<br>
                    Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:45:14 +0000<br>
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                      color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Hi Tanzeel,
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                      <div>Apologies i could not understand the
                        background discussion on the topic on
                        certification. From Frans-Josef email some time
                        back i understand this is something related to
                        your Masters Thesis. Is this correct? Did you
                        discuss this with the OSGeo Board?  If it is
                        related to OSGeo certification then you should
                        get approval from the OSGeo Board first.</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>Best wishes,</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>Suchith</div>
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